Dr .Rob Gilbert - The Legend Behind The Success Hotline - Extreme Leads to Extraordinary Artwork

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Dr .Rob Gilbert - The Legend Behind The Success Hotline - Extreme Leads to Extraordinary

May 24, 2022 • Messier Larocque Performance Group • Season 1 • Episode 21

Joining us today is one of the most motivational, inspirational, and recognizable people on the web! Robert Gilbert, Ph.D., is a professor of sports psychology at Montclair State University and is a public speaker, motivational coach, sports coach and author. He has developed numerous workshops on success, written books about success but he is most famous for his Success Hotline which just celebrated it's 30th year in production. Since January of 1992 he has recorded DAILY three-minute motivational messages that have reached thousands of listeners around the world. You can still call the Success Hotline at (973) 743-4690. (charges may apply) but now, you can subscribe to his Podcast any way you like streaming your Podcasts.

In this episode:
-Avoid being average by being EXTREME
-Extreme leads to Extraordinary
-our youth are suffering from L.O.S.E.
-creating leadership that inspires
-creating memorable emotional moments leads to greater learning
-"a set back is a setup for a comeback"
-how to pass the pillow test
-how changing your focus can change your future
-the law of 3 27 60 10

Connect with Dr. Gilbert:
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Success Hotline: (973) 743-4690
Podcast:
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/success-hotline-with-dr-rob-gilbert/id1532154557

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Speaker 1
Hey team. Welcome to Benchmarked the Leadership Coaching and Mental Performance Podcast with Coach Mess and Coach Larocque. Thanks for joining us for this episode.

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Speaker 2
So for nearly 30 years, Dr. Rob Gilbert, a professor of sports psychology at Montclair State University, the public speaker, motivational coach, sport coach and author, has recorded daily, three minute motivational messages that have reached countless listeners around the world. You can still call the Success Hotline at can give this a plug right now 9737434690. But now you can subscribe to his podcast any way you like streaming your podcasts.

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Speaker 2
So we'd like to introduce none other than I think that the best hidden gem on the planet. Mr.. Dr. Rob Gilbert. Mr. Gilbert, welcome.

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Speaker 3
Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1
I got to say, in anticipation of having you on the show again, I've been like 26 year old boys waiting for Christmas.

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Speaker 4
This is.

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Speaker 1
This is awesome. So, Dr. Gilbert, like, I've been listening to the Success Hotline. 11,000, I think as of this weekend, it's 11,371 messages. Am I correct in that?

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Speaker 3
Oh, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1
Oh, my God, it's on.

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Speaker 3
Me. I know it's three 70. I don't know. Three 70.

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Speaker 1
Well, no, I think I listen to three 71 this morning. And it was just like it's mind boggling the, the reach and the impact that you've had on people. I'm going to say globally. Like, I think it's incredible. I don't even know what to say.

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Speaker 3
Well, first of all, it's not that I mean, it's only 3 minutes a day. You know.

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Speaker 1
The messages are.

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Speaker 2
Three. I know. 3 minutes a day. So I'm going to go back in. I had a little bit this conversation before. And you told me you found it a lot easier to do something seven days a week than it would be to do one or two days a week. Can you expand on that?

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Speaker 4
Well, yeah.

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Speaker 3
I'm 75 years old. And when you get to my age, uh, if, if you're going to exercise once or twice a week, the doctor will say, don't exercise at all, because what happens where you people have it? Do you have any snow? Okay, so suppose it snows, and a guy like me that never works out goes out the shovel.

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Speaker 3
What's the next story? What's the next chapter in that book? Let's get it.

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Speaker 4
Back. Right.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. So if you do something every day, it's much easier than doing it, especially working out. You know, if you work out every day, so everybody, when they're done here, get on YouTube and put in Ra'mon. Ari, the runner. Are you if you want me to show videos, I can show videos. During our podcast. You want me to be.

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Speaker 1
On to it? Absolutely.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. Just just not just make me the co-host. I'll show you what I've been talking about. I'll show you videos because he wants to listen to me when you did. Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1
Think you're okay. You could.

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Speaker 4
Okay, so.

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Speaker 3
This is this guy started running. January 1st. 1975 Okay. So let me see first.

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Speaker 1
1975. Gigi, I was one year old. You weren't even born yet.

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Speaker 4
No, no. The thought that simply challenging the limits of what a body can endure.

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Speaker 3
Are we do it now?

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Speaker 4
Yep. Yep. We're good. I run eight miles every single day. Every day? Yeah. Over how many years? Since January 1st. 1975. First, however, we have a story about runners, but not just any runners. Our stories about those athletes who are obsessive about running and who push the concept of going out for a jog to almost unimaginable extremes. As our Mary Carillo reports, those who are incredibly obsessed are often running from something that sort of forget There are people.

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Speaker 5
For whom running is as essential as breathing. People who could no sooner imagine life without running as they could, life without oxygen. They are not like any runners, you know, they are obsessed with it. You might say addicted. But unlike other addictions, they all credit.

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Speaker 4
This one with saving their lives around eight miles every single day. Every day. Yeah. Over how many years? Since January 1st. 1975? Yes. 61. Year old Robert Kraft has been running the same route every day for more than half his life. You'll find him here on the same beach in Miami. At the same time, 5 p.m. running the same eight miles as if it were a matter.

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Speaker 3
So. And people get just what raving runner ESPN and you'll see it. So that's our fact. A couple of weekends ago, I wrote a book and it's called Dr. Gilbert's One Word Book on how to be extraordinarily successful. So you said, how do you write a book in a weekend? Well, it's only one word. It's only after after a whole year of studying peak performance, there's only one word that you have to know to be extraordinarily successful.

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Speaker 3
So what's the word I mean, what would be your word if you wrote a book, the one word book on how to be extremely successful in coaching, how to be extremely successful in sports? What would be the word.

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Speaker 1
J.G. You first.

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Speaker 4
I resistance. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Say again.

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Speaker 2
I go consistent.

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Speaker 3
That's a good one.

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Speaker 1
I was going to say persistence.

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Speaker 3
That's not a good one.

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Speaker 4
I oh.

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Speaker 3
Well, we don't play these games for nothing. You owe me the Mickey Mantle Ted Williams ball.

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Speaker 4
Okay. It'll be in the mail.

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Speaker 3
The word is extreme. You have to be extreme if you're not a you could be a nice person and not be extreme. You could be a good athlete and not be extreme. You're not going to be extraordinary in anything without being extreme. So I don't know if you know this. I grew up in Boston in my boyhood hero was Ted Williams.

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Speaker 3
And Ted Williams was extreme when he was growing up. And this is in all the books written about him.

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Speaker 4
He only had.

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Speaker 3
One goal in life He said, I want to walk down the street. I wanted people to point to me and say, there goes the greatest hitter who ever lived. He didn't want to be the greatest ballplayer. He didn't want to be the greatest pitcher. He didn't want to be the greatest fielder. He didn't want to be the greatest teammate.

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Speaker 3
He only wanted to be the greatest hitter. So when he was growing up in San Diego, he used to take his allowance money and pay kids to pitch to them, you know, good batting practice. And luckily, he was near a field in San Diego that the lights went on at night so he could stay as long as he wanted.

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Speaker 3
And you know how he figured out when it was time to go home, when his hands were bleeding so much he couldn't hold on to the bat anymore. That's extreme. So that's what I'm selling today. I'm selling the word extreme because people here, if you want to live longer, you have to be extreme. If you want to have a happy relationship, you have to be extreme.

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Speaker 3
You have to be extreme. Now, what if you're not extreme? If you're not extreme, that means your average and you're not going to be happy average. You're not going to be happy average. Why do so many people watch sports rather than play sports? Because they're escaping. Why do so many people take drugs? Why so many people get drunk?

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Speaker 3
Because they're escaping because they're average. So I'm saying.

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Speaker 4
You've got to be.

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Speaker 3
Extreme. You got to be extraordinary. In extreme ways to extraordinary, by the way.

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Speaker 4
Wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 4
Oh, now.

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Speaker 3
Now you're saying, okay, Gilbert, what do you do? Extreme. Well, you brought up by Hardline. You think that's extreme? I mean, I don't think that's extreme. I don't think 3 minutes a day is, you know. See, this is called Neosporin.

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Speaker 3
So I'll show you something that's extreme, because what I teach in my classes is I teach kids how to do something that's impossible. So this is an ice pick. Okay.

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Speaker 4
All right, here we go. Oh, boy.

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Speaker 3
It's a real a real ice pick. It's not one of these phony ice picks So what I have to do is I have to clean it off of the Neosporin.

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Speaker 2
I'm not looking. I'm not going to look at the.

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Speaker 3
You got to look.

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Speaker 1
You're making me nervous here.

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Speaker 2
Oh, buddy, I can't.

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Speaker 4
Let me do this.

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Speaker 1
This is this going to have to be an R-rated podcast?

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Speaker 4
How do you guys feel what.

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Speaker 3
Do you have to be nervous about? So when I started doing this in class, people say, Oh, I saw David Blaine. You got to put it through your hand. And I said, you know, David Blaine actually puts us through it. And then you see it coming out because we zig. And I said, no, no, no. I got to do something more extreme than David Blaine.

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Speaker 4
Oh, he Oh, no. Oh.

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Speaker 2
Do it. Do it. Oh, like eventually.

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Speaker 3
You want to have a good podcast or you said, Hey, come.

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Speaker 4
On, I'll make sure we're.

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Speaker 1
Insured if anything goes wrong. I'm not sure for.

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Speaker 4
You Okay, I got to do.

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Speaker 3
This, and you got to throw up on cue.

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Speaker 4
Okay? Man.

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Speaker 2
I'm going to try and watch. The whole time.

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Speaker 1
For our listeners is shoving an ice pick up his nose.

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Speaker 3
Maybe for your listeners.

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Speaker 1
Well, this is video and audio, Dr. Geller.

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Speaker 3
People can listen to this. I got to watch this.

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Speaker 4
Oh, no, no, no, no. That's not happening.

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Speaker 1
We might lose DJ here. Oh, my God. This is happening. Oh, my.

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Speaker 4
God.

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Speaker 4
Oh, Oh, okay. Oh.

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Speaker 2
And for listeners, they're just listening. Oh, my God.

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Speaker 4
Oh. Oh, baby. And boy, you were expecting that.

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Speaker 3
Hi, G.

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Speaker 4
When we go right.

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Speaker 3
Now, that's the last guy from New Jersey we're going to have on our.

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Speaker 4
Program. Oh, my God.

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Speaker 3
I'll tell you one thing. I did differently. I usually never, ever do that. Like, we just started. I always do that at the end of class or the end of a podcast or at the end of the talk, because sometimes my nose just that's spouting blood, but it's not a thing today. Well, thank you. And let me know.

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Speaker 3
Okay.

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Speaker 4
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
We just we're just going to break the Internet with our our YouTube video over this. This is going to be.

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Speaker 4
Good.

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Speaker 3
To watch. Okay. So do we have to talk about what Extreme is now?

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Speaker 1
No, no, I think we're good. But okay, so here's what I think about the idea is you don't consider what you're doing extreme or the nose pick thing or the people.

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Speaker 3
I consider that extreme.

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Speaker 1
That's extreme. But for 30 years, you've been putting out messages to people, and I love the origin to it. And you're an educator. So I know you know the psychology part of everything that you teach and share, but at your core, you're an educator. And when I read the history of because as I started getting on to this, in turn me on to the Success Hotline, I was like, I got to go back because I'm the type of person I need to know why I wanted to know more about Dr. Gilbert and reading about how you were teaching one course, your classmate once a week, and you wanted to connect with your kids.

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Speaker 1
You felt one day week wasn't enough, so you were sending messages out for them to call in and connect with you and have these motivational messages and these inspirational messages. To me, that's extreme because some educators don't go that extra mile for their students.

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Speaker 3
Well, what I you know, as I mentioned before, I was a high school wrestling coach and I was an extreme coach. I mean, I had my own wrestling match. And a matter of fact, I had the University of Massachusetts by the match, Tracy Morgan, because I was coaching at a high school. So anyway, I said, wait a second, I'm teaching graduate students And when I was a high school wrestling coach, I used to train my kids five, six, seven days a week.

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Speaker 3
And with my graduate students, I see them once a week. So I said, well, how can I be with them every day when I'm not going to be with them every day? Then I got the idea for the hotline and I was only going to do it. You know, semester is is 14 weeks. I was only going to do it for 14 weeks.

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Speaker 3
But then I had so many people calling from all over the place, you're not going to believe us. I even have people from Ajax Canada call me.

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Speaker 4
Whatever.

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Speaker 3
Happens, you know.

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Speaker 4
That's extreme.

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Speaker 1
That's extreme.

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Speaker 3
That's extreme.

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Speaker 4
Wow. Wow.

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Speaker 3
So the thing is, I, you know, I'm getting to believe that consistency is more important than intensity. So I would, you know, doing something every day for over 30 years that that is extreme. But I mean, that's what has to happen if you want to be a great writer. That's what has to happen if you want to be great in sales.

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Speaker 3
I mean, you just have to do.

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Speaker 4
It every day.

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Speaker 3
You know, there's a oh, I got to give you this quote. I can't remember his name. He was a former women's volleyball coach at Stanford University. He said, I should have my driving license taken away from me because what I'm driving, all I think about is volleyball You know, that's that's extreme. I mean, when I got I appreciate that some of you were laughing, and every once in a while, a student laughs at something I say.

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Speaker 3
So many years ago, I got this mistaken notion that maybe I could go into standup comedy. You know, that would be fun. So I started taking standup comedy courses in New York City, and I found something out that in order to be the next Robin Williams, you have to think about standup comedy. All day and all night. You know, if I did it, I think about sports psychology all day and all night.

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Speaker 3
So I know I'm speaking to young'uns. So who is the guy that took over when Taboo Williams retired? No. Eight for the Boston Red Sox.

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Speaker 1
Oh, boy.

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Speaker 3
Oh, you are embarrassing yourself. Yeah.

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Speaker 4
Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3
Oh, this is horrible.

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Speaker 1
Oh, I can't remember.

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Speaker 3
Number eight. He's a Hall of Famer. He was a left fielder. His name was Carl Stransky.

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Speaker 4
I was.

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Speaker 2
Just. I swear, I was a kid. I didn't know anybody else.

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Speaker 3
Is the definition of sports psychology was this I think about baseball. As soon as I get up in the morning, I think about baseball all day. I dream about baseball all night. The only time I don't think about baseball is when I'm playing it. So I think about baseball. As soon as I get up in the morning. I think about baseball all day.

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Speaker 3
I dream about baseball and I the only time I don't think about baseball is when I'm playing. And Yogi Berra, who lived most of his life in Upper Montclair, New Jersey, and we have a Yogi Museum right on the campus of Montclair State. Yogi Berra said, you cannot think and hit at the same time. A fool mind is an empty bat.

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Speaker 3
So that's what the technology is.

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Speaker 1
I love it now. I want to go back to you. If you said if you're not extreme, your average. Do you find now you've been at it for 30 years. Have you found that people now are. I'm I'm guess I'm I'm feeling as an educator a lot of people are embracing average because it's easy he said like it's easy to watch and be a spectator.

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Speaker 1
Have you seen a bit of a change for that? Like you, we still have extreme people that are doing something. But I'm thinking like that. Started about the pun, but the average society I'm feeling is embracing average. We're not doing the extra stuff that takes, like you said here you are you wanted to be better what you're doing.

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Speaker 1
You took standup comedy classes. Yeah. You know, you know, we want to be better at what we're doing. So we're learning online podcasting and doing these types of things and trying to be better. But I'm finding a lot of people are like, well, that's hard. And Jiggy always says the start is what stops most people. Have you found that people are, like, enjoying being average?

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Speaker 3
Well, one of the nice things I mean, I've been teaching I've been in the same place for 43 years and one year the same. The good thing about being in the same place for 43 years is, first of all, people know where to find you. And second of all, you, you know, I have a like a dab dab a base, you know, and way back once a motivational speaker said this and I think it's really true.

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Speaker 3
The numbers are 3%, 27%, 61%. And 3% of the people of the Explorer they go to where nobody has gone before. They are the extreme people. And then 27% of the people are like the pioneers after the explorers, you know, survive, then the pioneers say, I think it's safe now. They're not as extreme as the explorers, but they're much more extreme than the 60% that are the settlers, you know.

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Speaker 3
So the 60%, those are the average people and then the 10% of the people, those are the people that never leave home, you know. I mean, they'll, they won't take any risk. So in terms of extreme, 3% of the people are extreme 20%. 27% of the people, you know, they're not extreme, extreme, they're just extreme. 60% are average and 10%, you know.

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Speaker 1
I'm going to assume, can we take that a step further and say success lies in the three to 27 range? Like if you want to be successful, you got to be part of the three or in the first part of the 27.

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Speaker 3
Well, you guys are teachers and just do this and let me know what happens. Give an assignment and say, okay, the assignment is through on May 14th. If you get it in a week early, I'll give you massive extra credit. No, if you get there in two weeks early, I give you massive extra credit. I'll give it a week early, I'll give you extra credit, get it on time and if you don't get it and you fail and 3% of the people get into two weeks early, 27% will get in one week or early.

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Speaker 3
60% we'll get it on time and 10% won't pass it in. And I've had students do this over the years with their classes, and I don't know why those numbers work out, but they do. So 3% of the people, you know, I just realized something. Why should we talk about Extreme? We only talk about one person on this whole show.

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Speaker 3
And I said he is the mentally toughest athlete who's ever lived.

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Speaker 4
Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. So what's a Gordie Howe hat trick.

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Speaker 4
Fight with a goal.

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Speaker 2
And assist? Yeah.

00:19:03:23 - 00:19:10:23
Speaker 3
Yeah, goal is right. Well, this guy is Canadian and he's tougher than Gordie Howe. Who are we talking about?

00:19:11:01 - 00:19:11:24
Speaker 2
Terry Fox.

00:19:12:15 - 00:19:18:11
Speaker 3
Terry Fox I just get chills when I think about Terry Fox.

00:19:18:17 - 00:19:19:14
Speaker 1
He's my hero.

00:19:20:07 - 00:19:32:22
Speaker 3
Oh, my God. So, I mean, none of my students worried about Terry Fox, but he was running a marathon a day with a prosthetic leg and lung cancer at the same time.

00:19:32:23 - 00:19:33:04
Speaker 4
Yeah.

00:19:34:07 - 00:19:41:06
Speaker 3
And then in Thunder Bay, up to 3339 miles, they took him to the hospital. Yeah.

00:19:42:13 - 00:19:47:17
Speaker 2
Yeah, but didn't you do like a top athletes of all time and you had him in your top two? I think it was.

00:19:49:00 - 00:19:55:23
Speaker 3
Well, I don't know. The Yeah, the mentally tough is athlete of all time. Is either Terry Fox or Joe Louis. You know, Joe Lewis was.

00:19:56:07 - 00:19:56:11
Speaker 4
Never.

00:19:56:21 - 00:20:26:18
Speaker 3
Famous, but some people consider him the greatest. And I'm talking about being mentally tough. So Joe Lewis, before he became world champion, fought the German Max Schmeling, and he lost. He walks with Schmeling, but it was a non-title fight. Neither of them was world champion. And Schmeling just took Joe Louis out. But Schmeling was in hit. It was Germany, and now Joe Louis becomes heavyweight champion, the world and the sportswriters.

00:20:26:24 - 00:21:02:07
Speaker 3
Well, Joe, congratulations. You now the world champion. He said, no, no, I'm not the world champion. Until I beat that man. And that man was Max Schmeling. So I should know the date, but I don't. But right before the war started, in Yankee Stadium, I think in 1945. But they might be wrong. Max Schmeling fights Joe Louis in about an hour before the fight the president of the United States Franklin Delano Roosevelt, calls up Joe Louis and said, Joe, you got to win this one for the good guys.

00:21:02:21 - 00:21:21:14
Speaker 3
So he's not just fighting for himself. He's not trying to beat Max Schmeling. He feels the whole weight of the world on his shoulders. And in that connection, Ali, out in the first round. So the mentally toughest performance of all time are Terry Fox, Joe Louis or Chesley Sullenberger. You know, Chesley Sullenberger is.

00:21:22:20 - 00:21:23:12
Speaker 2
Not the shooter.

00:21:24:02 - 00:21:35:04
Speaker 3
You know, you do know, but you do know who he is. You just don't know the name Okay, so, um.

00:21:36:22 - 00:21:38:07
Speaker 2
I'm like a kid in class right now.

00:21:38:08 - 00:21:53:21
Speaker 1
I know. I want more Dr. Gilbert, that a very impressive thing is, is like for us in Canada, Terry Fox is an icon. And, yeah, I always I've told the story on a podcast before. I had a chance to high five Terry Fox as he was running across.

00:21:53:23 - 00:21:54:12
Speaker 4
Really.

00:21:55:08 - 00:22:17:20
Speaker 1
The up and I remember my dad's like, stick your hand out, stick your hand. My first public speaking address to the whole school was we have Terry Fox Day every September. Yeah. And I remember telling the story about Terry and we had 1400 kids in the gym and you can hear a pin drop when I was and I was, I was quivering talking about seeing this individual come in like I was five years old at the time.

00:22:18:05 - 00:22:34:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. And I had never seen somebody with a prosthetic leg before. So my dad, like you stick your hand out and to this day I still get chills when. But, you know, a lot of our American listeners aren't familiar with Terry and what he did. So it's exciting to know that you're pumping his tires that no one do.

00:22:35:04 - 00:22:44:04
Speaker 3
Oh, there's nobody like Terry Fox. A matter of fact, I heard that kids like you, they let school out when Terry was coming by their town.

00:22:44:04 - 00:22:45:05
Speaker 4
Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:46:04 - 00:22:47:02
Speaker 1
That was a big deal.

00:22:47:24 - 00:22:51:15
Speaker 3
So let me see if I could find you.

00:22:51:15 - 00:22:58:15
Speaker 4
What are you doing to our listeners?

00:22:58:15 - 00:23:00:19
Speaker 2
Please go to YouTube and watch this thing.

00:23:02:00 - 00:23:06:20
Speaker 3
I'm looking for my Terry Fox. What do they call them? Loonies.

00:23:07:07 - 00:23:08:03
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:11:21 - 00:23:40:06
Speaker 3
And I have it in here somewhere. But I when I was in my turtle obsession, with Terry Fox, I found people who collected loonies, Terry Fox loonies. And I saw and it why I was giving away for my students, but now I don't do them anymore because I'm running out of them. Well, I don't have it here. Okay, so let's move on for Terry Fox to another mentally tough guy.

00:23:40:19 - 00:23:42:01
Speaker 3
They're paying off so they.

00:23:44:20 - 00:23:45:03
Speaker 4
Could.

00:23:46:21 - 00:23:51:14
Speaker 6
So selling. So where are you.

00:23:56:21 - 00:23:57:22
Speaker 4
No one warned us.

00:24:00:13 - 00:24:19:00
Speaker 4
No one said you were going to lose both engines at a lower altitude than any jet in history. This was dual engine loss at 2800 feet, followed by an immediate water landing with 155 souls on board. No one has ever trained for an incident like that.

00:24:22:02 - 00:24:37:22
Speaker 4
Our job is to investigate how a plane ended up in the Hudson River. On the Hudson River. It's not a crash. It was a forced water landing simulation show that you could make it back to the airport. Not possible. I felt I'd go to my aircraft carrier aircraft. I want you to know I did the best I could.

00:24:37:24 - 00:24:56:09
Speaker 4
Of course you did. You saved everyone. People call you a hero. I don't feel like a hero. There's been too much talk in the press already overwhelmed by all this attention. The left engine was still operating in the air. Just really endanger the lives of all those passengers. I got an A320 diving for the river. You did everything you could.

00:24:56:09 - 00:25:05:01
Speaker 4
That was more than enough for me to last drink. Captain Sullenberger, have you had any troubles at home? This is the captain brace for impact.

00:25:05:07 - 00:25:12:03
Speaker 6
What a great story. Heads down. Say there were.

00:25:12:14 - 00:25:26:15
Speaker 4
55 people on that plane, right? And you were one of them. Down over 40 years in the air. But in the end, I'm going to be judged on 208 seconds to count passengers and crew. Does anyone still hear.

00:25:33:12 - 00:25:51:21
Speaker 3
Though, Captain Chesley Sully Sullenberger? I think you saved 151 lives. He had 208 seconds So to figure out, first of all, figure out what he was going to do. No, have you do a lot of.

00:25:55:05 - 00:25:56:03
Speaker 4
300.

00:25:57:09 - 00:26:29:04
Speaker 3
And you know, he said he never felt so sick and his entire life. I mean, any minute and his quote, he said, let me read it to you because it's such a great quote. For 42 years, I've been making small regular deposits in this bank of experience, education, and training. And on January 15th, the balance was sufficient so I could make a huge, large withdrawal.

00:26:29:17 - 00:27:00:05
Speaker 3
So every single day, he was obsessed with safety. He studied about safety. He read about safety, went into the flight simulators. And then one January 15th, he had to do the impossible and he had to land this huge, huge plane in the Hudson River. And he was able to do it So when you think of Terry Fox, when you think of Joe Louis, when you think of Chesley Sullenberger, those are my three heroes.

00:27:00:18 - 00:27:18:19
Speaker 1
Well, you've picked well, you know, you've picked very well. And, you know, you think of some people like what a hero means to them and why they choose them. Like to think about what you know, your background is in picking these people as your heroes. It makes sense. It just makes sense.

00:27:19:02 - 00:27:19:19
Speaker 4
Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:20:13 - 00:27:34:06
Speaker 2
Dr. Gilbert, we've got this conversation that passed a little bit where we can scratch the surface anyway. You don't think an educators job is to educate You say that educators job is to.

00:27:34:07 - 00:27:40:16
Speaker 3
I can't say. I mean, I think all of us should educate, but I think their number one job is to inspire.

00:27:42:14 - 00:27:46:00
Speaker 2
Can you elaborate on that? Sorry. 20 that I probably would have. I read on that a little bit.

00:27:46:11 - 00:28:05:10
Speaker 3
I don't know if I should say this on on air because what I used to do before COVID is I used to ask my students. Does anybody here have a gun license? And, you know, there'd be somebody some hunter there they have a gun license. I said, Okay, I want you to bring you going to class. And if I ever show a PowerPoint, shoot me, okay?

00:28:05:23 - 00:28:23:01
Speaker 3
Because I need to see these in my PowerPoint And I think a lot of educators think if they have a good PowerPoint, they're a good teacher. Know, if you have a good PowerPoint, that means you have a good PowerPoint. You have little cartoons on your PowerPoint that doesn't mean you're a good teacher. It means you're good with graphics.

00:28:23:01 - 00:28:23:10
Speaker 3
You know.

00:28:23:13 - 00:28:24:17
Speaker 1
Death by PowerPoint.

00:28:25:21 - 00:28:49:05
Speaker 3
I think there's nothing wrong with PowerPoint. But the thing is, we got to inspire people President John F Kennedy, he was a United States president. You might never have heard of him. President John F Kennedy in the sixties. And he he said the only reason to give a speech is to change the world. And I think the same thing about teaching class, the only reason to teach a class is to change the world.

00:28:49:10 - 00:29:14:06
Speaker 3
And then some cynical person said, you're not going to change the world. I said, Yeah, but I could change somebody's world. I could change one person's world in this class today, So there's a story about this kids on vacation, eight year old kid. And every morning he goes down by the shore when it's low tide. And there are thousands of jellyfish that are going to die and beg to death on it, low tide.

00:29:14:15 - 00:29:30:24
Speaker 3
So he's on a mission because his parents told them that these fish, these little jellyfish are going to die. So he takes one and runs down to the water and puts it down and takes another one. And he spends all morning doing this. And some old guy came up to him and he said, son, what in the world he's doing?

00:29:31:11 - 00:29:52:00
Speaker 3
He said, I'm saving jellyfish. I'm saving the jellyfish, that he's all food. He has a purpose to his life. And the old man who was kind of cynical said, son, that's not going to help. He said, look, there are thousands of jellyfish. What you're doing isn't going to make a difference. And the kid held up the jellyfish. He said it's going to make a difference to this one.

00:29:53:21 - 00:30:06:02
Speaker 3
And so that's what we're talking about. You know, each one we got to do a better job than we're doing. What are you, something unbelievable. Yes. 74% of Americans are overweight or obese.

00:30:06:12 - 00:30:08:22
Speaker 4
74% Are you kidding me?

00:30:09:14 - 00:30:17:09
Speaker 3
We got to make a difference in terms of leaders. Um, I don't think we're developing leaders nowadays.

00:30:17:18 - 00:30:19:20
Speaker 4
Now, I really don't.

00:30:19:22 - 00:30:29:14
Speaker 1
I would agree with you 100% on that. Dr. Gilbert and J.J. and I talk about that all the time, and that's one of the purposes of our shows, is to help develop leadership. Can I ask you.

00:30:29:21 - 00:30:30:00
Speaker 4
Well.

00:30:30:18 - 00:30:58:13
Speaker 3
Let me just. For any teachers out there, I want them to do this little demonstration in their class. So get one of these old fashioned locker room combination blocks and get $100 bill and come into class one day and hold up $100 bill and said, Who wants the $100? And everybody put the hand up and said, Okay, all you have to do is the lockers walked just by now, and then the class just figure out the combination you can't break it.

00:30:59:02 - 00:31:15:18
Speaker 3
You know, you have to actually figure out the combination. Right, left, right. And then I know what's going to happen because I've been doing this for almost 40 years. So once you end the class, you say, Well, gee, how are you doing? Did you get it? And so now they said, You want the hundred dollars you have, but I'm not going to do it.

00:31:15:20 - 00:31:33:07
Speaker 3
And he said, Well, I'm not surprised because there are probably 58,000 possible combinations, so you need more time. He said, I'm not going to get a talk to go, but no matter what, I'm not going to get it. So I take the walk back and I say, change can ask a question. How come you didn't ask me to help you?

00:31:34:22 - 00:31:49:24
Speaker 3
Nobody will ever ask for help. I don't know why I need it. I don't think that's a manipulative exercise. I never said you couldn't ask me for help and nobody asked for help. It's so strange.

00:31:50:16 - 00:32:10:01
Speaker 1
There was talking about speech changing in the world, and I just reading the book and I'm a big fan of Admiral McRaven from the Navy SEALs and I read just finished reading his book about making your bed. And in the book, he talks about at the end about his famous speech at the University of Texas. And he says what inspired him is at the University of Texas.

00:32:10:11 - 00:32:40:10
Speaker 1
Their motto was, what happens here can change the world. And he said to the students there's 8000 graduates at commencement that year. He says, if and if each of you changes the lives of at least ten people, and if those ten people changes the lives of another ten people and so on, he says, within five generations, we'll have a positively affected the lives of over 800 million people.

00:32:40:16 - 00:32:58:13
Speaker 1
So that's three times the population of the United States. So as long as it happens, to only a handful of people. And that's the thing as educators, if you can move the needle on one person, that's what we always say, 1%, move the needle on one person. You're doing your job as an educator, as a coach and as a leader.

00:32:58:22 - 00:33:06:00
Speaker 1
And I think that's it's an interesting combination that you talked about the jellyfish, because that jellyfish could go back into the ocean and reproduce.

00:33:06:21 - 00:33:23:00
Speaker 3
So, yeah, they say what's the one if you give a person, at least for a day, if you teach your person fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.

00:33:23:06 - 00:33:23:14
Speaker 4
Yeah.

00:33:24:06 - 00:33:32:15
Speaker 3
Yeah. But if you if you teach the person to teach other people out of fish, you might change the world So.

00:33:33:00 - 00:33:46:21
Speaker 2
I mean, I know I want to go, but I'm going to jump in here. And we talked about briefly, you're a wrestling coach. I want to get into the wrestling. I'm just wondering at the same time, I love the quote when you say it not on where you got it from or you said it, a setback is a set up for a comeback.

00:33:47:12 - 00:33:54:16
Speaker 2
A setback is a set up for a comeback. Yeah. I'm having a feeling that has little to do with your wrestling. You're not. But can you dove into that for us?

00:33:54:23 - 00:34:27:24
Speaker 3
Well, great. Probably America's greatest wrestler and greatest wrestling coach, Dan Gable, said in wrestling the three periods. You said after the first period, the more skilled wrestler was winning after the second period. But the wrestler with who's in better condition is winning. And after the third period, the wrestler who has the most heart is winning. So so, yeah, wrestling is wrestling is such a difficult sport that if you're doing anything and it seems easy, you're probably doing it wrong.

00:34:29:00 - 00:35:01:13
Speaker 3
So when I was wrestling at the University of Massachusetts, Dan Gable was wrestling at Iowa State University. And about 2011, he was giving a talk in South Jersey. So it was a cold, rainy December day. And I decided to go down to Hamilton High School and this guy is a living legend. So there are 250 people that you hear from National Champ, Olympic champ and monthly time NCAA coaching champ Dan Gable.

00:35:02:04 - 00:35:21:20
Speaker 3
So but I was on a mission, so I waited for everybody to leave. You know, everybody had this selfie. Everybody had Dan Gable sign it, the Gable wrestling shoes. And then it's just me, Dan Gable and the organizers. I said, Dan, you don't know me, but can I ask you a kind of strange question? He said, Sure. And he's a very, very kind man.

00:35:22:10 - 00:35:41:03
Speaker 3
And I said, How come you won everything in wrestling? And I want nothing He said, Well, where did you go to school? And he said, I said, I went to UMass. And he said, I went to Iowa State. Of course I knew that. He said, What did you coach do at the end of practice? I said, You know, we did 15, 20 minutes of conditioning.

00:35:41:04 - 00:35:56:17
Speaker 3
He said, Yeah, we did, too. He said, After the conditioning, what do you do? I said, Well, I was so tired that I crawled back to my locker to take a shower and go and eat. He said, That's the difference. After we did that conditioning, I went back to my locker to buy. They put on a rubber suit I put on.

00:35:56:17 - 00:36:14:05
Speaker 3
I was put, I put on sweat pants and I got my jump rope and then went back into the wrestling room and I jumped rope until I passed out. Now, when he said I jump rope until I passed out, my brain became like, ever see these cartoons that have bubbles over your head? Yeah. So there were two bubbles over my head showing what I was thinking.

00:36:14:13 - 00:36:42:08
Speaker 3
The right bubble show. Rob Gilbert in the dining hall eating a pork chop in the left bubble show Dan Gable jump rope like a maniac. So, of course he of course he never you never passed out because he was in Sports Illustrated in 1972 said he's probably the most well-conditioned athlete in the world so every day he's being and this is where I came up the whole idea about extreme every day he's being extreme and I'm eating a pork chop.

00:36:43:06 - 00:36:44:15
Speaker 3
He's the Olympic champion.

00:36:45:03 - 00:36:46:12
Speaker 4
Oh, and I'm fat.

00:36:46:17 - 00:36:47:08
Speaker 3
You know, I.

00:36:47:08 - 00:36:50:00
Speaker 4
Mean. Yeah. And that's the whole thing you.

00:36:50:00 - 00:37:09:12
Speaker 3
Got to be. Is he nuts? Well, you got to be nuts. If you want to change the world, you got to be nuts. If you want to be Olympic champion. And what if you settle for average? Well, if you settle for average every year in the United States, 2.5 million people die. I think about 850,000 die from heart disease.

00:37:09:12 - 00:37:38:14
Speaker 3
About 657,000 dies from cancer last year, I think close to 900,000 died from COVID. But I think with the students I work with, the thing that's getting them, the thing that's killing them isn't on heart disease. Cancer or but it's what I call a disease called loci, lack of self-esteem. And one, you have lack of self-esteem. It means you're your walking around totally healthy and there's no spark inside you.

00:37:38:22 - 00:37:53:13
Speaker 3
There's no jumping your step, there's no excitement, there are no goals. You just everything's okay. Hey, how are you doing? Okay. What are you doing this weekend? I'm not much, you know, maybe I'll watch a Montreal game. Yeah, you know, I.

00:37:55:19 - 00:37:57:15
Speaker 4
See it's got.

00:37:57:16 - 00:38:22:14
Speaker 3
To be extreme. So you were on average because of your average will suffer from being lose, which is one letter from being a loser. And so, you know, imagine it's your first. You're senior in high school, and you got the letter that said you were admitted to McGill or you're admitted to your dream school. And so you get the letter, and everybody said that you got a fat letter.

00:38:22:14 - 00:38:38:21
Speaker 3
You got in it's a thin letter. So you get the letter and you open up and you just and you see the first sentence. We are pleased to announce it. And you know what? It's So what do you do? You smash the table and you scream and you say, I'm going to go to Montclair State. I am going to be the best school they ever have.

00:38:39:01 - 00:38:59:23
Speaker 3
I'm going to be the best football player they ever had. I'm going to join nine clubs only to be presented to eight of them. And you're all excited about what happens eight months later. You're totally average because you've been hanging around with your average friends, doing average things I mean, we have to regain that excitement of doing extraordinary things and just not sad.

00:39:00:05 - 00:39:20:15
Speaker 3
And I'm not saying to be average is a crime, but it's a crime against yourself because every night we take a test, it's called the pillow test. And every night when you put your hand on the pillow, you say to yourself, I'm glad I did or I wish I have. And nobody ever puts a head on the pillow at night, says, Wow, I'm glad it had an average day, you know?

00:39:20:15 - 00:39:40:14
Speaker 3
Well, you know, a great day I didn't get hit by a car, you know, great day. You know, I didn't fail a test today. Know you want to do something extraordinary. You know, one of the nice things about calling the hotline I've been doing it for a long time. And I met a kid in high school and I hadn't gotten a call from this kid.

00:39:40:17 - 00:39:58:01
Speaker 3
You know, you could leave a message on my hotline. And he finally called me and he left this message saying, you know, it's been a long time since I called. He said, I don't know if I ever told you this started. Gilbert but when I was applying for a road scholarship, I used to take a lot of the information, you know, for your hotline.

00:39:58:01 - 00:40:18:14
Speaker 3
I used it for my interviews and I used it for my some of the essays had it right to win a Rhodes Scholarship. Rhodes Scholarship is the greatest honor any college student in the world could get, like, I think every year, like 34 Americans get it and you win a full fellowship to study. I think at Oxford and Cambridge, you know, Bill Clinton won a Rhodes Scholarship.

00:40:18:15 - 00:40:40:15
Speaker 3
Bill Bradley won. I mean, it's a superstar. So the superstars. So he hadn't called me for a long time, and he's talking about how my successful line helped him. And he's doing okay. Because he he went to Stanford where he was a really good football player. Then he won a Rhodes Scholarship. He won over England. Then he came back and he went to Yale Law School.

00:40:40:15 - 00:41:02:10
Speaker 3
Then he moved into Newark, New Jersey, and was elected to the city council. Then he became mayor of Newark. And that kid is now United States Senator Cory Booker. Who ran for president. So that's what says, you know, each one teach one. You know, I you all I have to do is effect one jellyfish. All I have to do is pick one caller.

00:41:03:20 - 00:41:25:13
Speaker 3
So Cory Booker came to my I used to run all day workshops called the winner's workshop. So about five or six years ago. I'm at this two day seminar on leadership, but it's piped into these churches all over the country. So it's all, you know, all zoom links. So I'm sitting next to this woman for two days and one of the main speakers was Cory Booker.

00:41:26:05 - 00:41:44:05
Speaker 3
So Cory Booker starts doing something he learned at my workshop. He said, Okay, everybody stand up. Get your hands out again. Get his eyes. You can get your hands, eyes, skin freeze now. Your hands as high as you could get it. Now be your hands are size. You can get it. I want you to do the impossible. Get your hand a quarter of an inch higher.

00:41:44:06 - 00:42:05:21
Speaker 3
And of course, everybody gets it. And so I hope the woman next to me and I said he learned that at my workshop and then Cory Booker goes back to his talk and he said, I'd like to thank Professor Smith from Stanford who taught me that little demonstration. And she looks at me, the woman next to me, and says, I suppose you teach at Stanford, too, right?

00:42:08:15 - 00:42:08:21
Speaker 4
You know.

00:42:09:16 - 00:42:21:00
Speaker 3
You got the attribution wrong. But but the thing is, you know, we just don't know what we're going to do. The difference we can make, but we know the difference we're going to make it. We're dull, bordering an average. We're not going to make any difference.

00:42:21:19 - 00:42:31:13
Speaker 1
I call them dusters. You're just they're collecting dust on the shelf glass. Every time I say it but I usually don't be a duster. And I pick that up from an athlete that I was working with.

00:42:31:23 - 00:42:33:01
Speaker 3
Now, what's a vector?

00:42:33:06 - 00:42:52:03
Speaker 1
A duster like a duster? You just a piece of dust collecting more dust. You don't just sit there on the shelf, so don't you don't wanna be a desert. But a my question for you on this, Dr. Gilbert, right now is can we change? So let that person who's the the lose the I love that acronym. That's definitely going on a T-shirt.

00:42:52:20 - 00:43:01:13
Speaker 1
That person who doesn't pass the bill to us that night. What do you what kind of advice can you give that person to get away from those feelings, those sentiments?

00:43:02:15 - 00:43:31:00
Speaker 3
Well, all you have to do is change your focus. You know, change it is Oprah said change your focus, change your future. I mean, all of a sudden, say, my joy, I what I ever walk into a classroom right before I start teaching, I look at the door that they're going to leave at the end of class. And it's say, if I have anything to do with this and I do that, each and every one of these students is going to lead my class more energized than they are right now.

00:43:31:11 - 00:43:51:14
Speaker 3
That is my job. My job is to energize them. And I have the world's most powerful tools. I have stories, I have videos, I have games, I have interaction, I have quotes. I mean, how can I not motivate them? But most professors and most teachers, they my job is to educate, educate. You can educate, but, you know, get into what?

00:43:51:15 - 00:44:09:01
Speaker 3
Get me into Shakespeare, get into algebra, get into analytic geometry. Just so there are two types of people in the world incident. Whose are you in school or you into school? You know, in in students are enrolled into students who are involved. And we have to make more in into sit ins.

00:44:09:11 - 00:44:28:11
Speaker 1
Speaking of Shakespeare, I don't know if this could be done any more. I my first teaching job back in the late nineties, I had a mentor of mine who had been at it for 25 years and he was a confident guy and he was an English teacher, eccentric guy. Steve Keen was his name. And he was just he was cool, drove a convertible.

00:44:28:11 - 00:44:49:14
Speaker 1
I wanted to be Steve King, but he had great white, flowy hair, great mustache and beard, like he was he was cool. He says, Mark, I need you to show up at this door at 10 a.m.. I was like, Why? He says, I just opened the door. So we had a school is a really unique campus. It was like a college campus, had an annex.

00:44:49:14 - 00:45:06:11
Speaker 1
It had all bunch of stuff. So the English department was in the annex and so of course I'm a rookie teacher and I don't want to disappoint my mentor, so I run out of my class at 10 a.m. I probably shouldn't have done that. Left my class and I go to open this outside and I hear Clickity Clack. It's a horse.

00:45:07:01 - 00:45:11:00
Speaker 1
He was teaching Shakespeare, but he wanted he he rode the horse into his.

00:45:11:00 - 00:45:11:16
Speaker 4
Classroom.

00:45:13:02 - 00:45:18:11
Speaker 1
And I was like, What is going on? And anyway, so that I'll never forget that as long as.

00:45:18:20 - 00:45:20:02
Speaker 4
You can do something like that.

00:45:20:02 - 00:45:21:11
Speaker 3
Like making memories.

00:45:21:11 - 00:45:21:18
Speaker 4
Yeah.

00:45:22:07 - 00:45:31:16
Speaker 3
You know, so if you taking if you were in g school, why don't we make Tuesday? JJ, you rocked it, you know?

00:45:32:00 - 00:45:33:23
Speaker 4
Yeah. I mean, make people.

00:45:33:23 - 00:45:35:03
Speaker 3
Feel special.

00:45:35:08 - 00:45:37:05
Speaker 1
Every day. JJ La Rock School with us.

00:45:40:22 - 00:45:42:04
Speaker 2
Okay, story time.

00:45:42:08 - 00:45:55:20
Speaker 3
Wait a sec. Wait a second. I got. I got to. I hope you realize everything I've done. I've rehearsed, and I just keep crushing it, but I've got to get it right. I can't screw it up.

00:45:55:20 - 00:45:59:03
Speaker 2
We're far from the end with this stuff. So, Dr. Geller, we don't have.

00:45:59:03 - 00:46:01:00
Speaker 1
A time limit, Dr. Gilbert, because do.

00:46:01:00 - 00:46:01:19
Speaker 2
You have a time limit?

00:46:02:18 - 00:46:06:05
Speaker 3
Well, the people have their. There is a marathon until six.

00:46:06:22 - 00:46:09:02
Speaker 4
Yeah, we got some time. All right.

00:46:09:24 - 00:46:39:24
Speaker 2
So, Mark, met his his wife. It's like a Hallmark movie, basically. And Hallmark, if you're listening, I'll take royalties to it, reach out to coach, message coach. Anyway, Dr. Gilbert, every Christmas, you tell the story about the painting that ends up being found after World War Two, and that thing gets me ever. You know, I think you say it every Christmas since I listen six hearts hotline, and it gets me every single time for those.

00:46:39:24 - 00:46:49:01
Speaker 2
You're not listening to Sex has Success Hotline yet, which will have more listeners, I'm sure, after this airs. Can you share that story with our listeners right now?

00:46:50:05 - 00:47:26:12
Speaker 3
No, come on. I want to share another story because nobody's ever going to use that story. But I know your story well, if you really want me to. But let me tell you another story that everybody could get so they were twin brothers. They grew up together, same school, lived in the same room, share the same clothes, and one when he's in high school, gets a job at the local supermarket, and the other one goes on to doing great in school, goes to an Ivy League school, gets an MBA and becomes you know, big time CEO of an international company while his twin brother is still working in the supermarket 30 years later.

00:47:27:03 - 00:47:49:02
Speaker 3
So every year they get together on Christmas morning and the rich brother takes the the the supermarket brother out to breakfast and then he's driving them home. In his nice little sports car. And when he gets to his brother's apartment, he said, hey, this is for you. They say, What do you mean? He said, This is your Christmas present.

00:47:49:13 - 00:48:12:20
Speaker 3
Is my Christmas present. This sportscar. This is $200. Yep. It's you drive me home, then it's yours. So he drives back to his tenement apartment and he spends all day polishing up the car and washing the car. I think it just came off the showroom floor. He just wanted people to notice it. So one of the kids says, Hey, Bobby, whose car are you polishing up?

00:48:13:03 - 00:48:26:22
Speaker 3
He said, It's mine. He said, I'll come along with you. You can't afford this. He said, No, my brother gave it to me for Christmas, and the kid in the neighborhood said, Your brother gave you this? He said, Yes, of the kids looking around. And he said.

00:48:27:00 - 00:48:32:11
Speaker 4
This is unbelievable. Said, your brother gave you this. Wow. I wish.

00:48:33:09 - 00:48:41:01
Speaker 3
Then you stop right there. You never heard this story. My dad, you know, so what did the kid wish? Wow. I wish.

00:48:41:08 - 00:48:41:16
Speaker 4
I had.

00:48:41:16 - 00:48:44:14
Speaker 1
Wish I had a car like that to or a brother that would give me a car.

00:48:45:02 - 00:49:08:21
Speaker 3
Yeah, that's what most people will say. That's what 99.9% of the people say, wow, I wish I had a brother like that. Not this kid. He said, Wow, I wish I could be a brother like that. Hmm. Wow. And that's the ultimate teamwork story. You know, the ultimate teamwork story. And everybody said, well, I wish I had a brother.

00:49:08:21 - 00:49:14:03
Speaker 3
No, no, we have to. Wow. I wish I could be a teammate like that, you know?

00:49:15:17 - 00:49:21:17
Speaker 1
So I always say, like, if you want what other people have, do what other people are doing.

00:49:22:03 - 00:49:22:10
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:49:22:18 - 00:49:26:18
Speaker 1
Do the work. Get into that Ivy League school, get the job. You have all that stuff right.

00:49:27:07 - 00:49:29:04
Speaker 3
And if you do what they do, you'll get what they got.

00:49:29:10 - 00:49:29:18
Speaker 4
Yeah.

00:49:30:06 - 00:49:30:14
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:49:30:23 - 00:50:04:15
Speaker 3
And if you don't, you'll be average. So the story you want to hear is there's a young couple, and they just moved into Brooklyn, New York, and they took over. A church was in disrepair. So they're getting the church already it seems like they'd want to be able to open their church for Christmas Eve services, you know, so a few days before Christmas Eve, there was an ice storm and all of a sudden, right at the front of the church, all this tile just comes pouring down.

00:50:05:00 - 00:50:37:23
Speaker 3
And it was an eyesore you know, it's like eight by ten feet. And it's, you know, everything is that light blue except for where all the tile came off. So they're looking down into their cellar and they found this mural and they opened it up in that would fit right over the eyesore. So they hang it up and it's like the day before Christmas Eve and they're hanging up and it's late one night and it's freezing out.

00:50:38:15 - 00:51:03:03
Speaker 3
And all of a sudden, they notice that there's a woman in the back of the church just standing there shivering is the man. Come in, come in, come in. Appearance here. So she comes to the front of the church and she's walking that hang up the mural. And she said, Kid, could you tell me in in the lower right hand corner, are there any initials there?

00:51:04:01 - 00:51:28:22
Speaker 3
And they look and they say, yeah, it says M.G. and she starts crying. She said, I gave that. I did that mural and I gave it to my husband the year he was taken away and killed by the Nazis. And I don't know how it ever came to America, but I used to be a painter and I made that painting for my husband and they're saying, what are the chances?

00:51:29:08 - 00:51:49:13
Speaker 3
So, you know, she was waiting for the bus. That's why she came in out of the cold. And so the husband wife, they take her home and she lives close by the church. And she you know, she came to the United States from Europe, and her whole family was taken away to the concentration camps, but not her. And she luckily got to America.

00:51:49:22 - 00:52:21:18
Speaker 3
And she's just the cleaning lady. I shouldn't say dress. She's a cleaning lady. And she's been living her life pretty isolated. And they invite her to Christmas Eve service. So she never came. The next day, the church is packed for Christmas Eve for this service, and they open up a brand new church and everybody's there and then at the end of the service, the husband and wife, they go to the front of the church and they greet everybody, all the new parishioners on the way out.

00:52:22:05 - 00:52:45:12
Speaker 3
And then they are overjoyed. Everything worked out perfectly. And they're going back to the front of the church and they see a man kneeling and praying in the front row and the pew in the front and he said, Merry Christmas. And he looks up and he's just crying. He said, can you help me out with something? He said, Sure, we'll do anything we can that mural up there.

00:52:46:18 - 00:53:08:11
Speaker 3
My eyesight is failing me. Could you see it in the lower right hand corner? There are any initials and they said, Yeah, the initials are M.G., and he just broke down and started crying, so. Sure, sure. What's wrong? He said, My wife gave that to me my last Christmas before they took her away to the concentration camps and killed.

00:53:08:11 - 00:53:08:16
Speaker 4
Her.

00:53:10:10 - 00:53:33:12
Speaker 3
And they said, Sir, do you have some free time to visit one of our other parishioners who would like to meet you? And he said, Well, all I have is time. And they drove for him to the woman from the night before, and they witness the greatest reunion in the history of the world.

00:53:37:12 - 00:53:38:22
Speaker 2
That's why I got to see that story.

00:53:40:11 - 00:54:05:21
Speaker 3
So is it possible for impossible things to happen of course it is. Of course it is. And now people say, is that a true story? Now, it might not be fact it might not be energy, it might be three, it might not be fat, but it is true. Like David and Goliath. The David and Goliath actually happened. No, but is David Goliath happening every day?

00:54:05:21 - 00:54:09:10
Speaker 4
It's happening all the time, you know? Wow.

00:54:09:23 - 00:54:11:23
Speaker 1
I don't know if I could share my story after that.

00:54:12:04 - 00:54:42:05
Speaker 2
You is awesome, man. That is awesome. So, Dr. Gupta, let's build off that just for the podcast. We're talking about leadership. We're talking to educators. You're talking to business people, whoever's listening but the way you are able to tell a story like I'm there, like I'm in the church, how have you gotten to the point when you're in front of a class you're in front of a group, you know, you're speaking a company, whatever it is, how do you like?

00:54:42:09 - 00:54:56:22
Speaker 2
I was and I'm sure Mark was I can see his body language. How do you get people so invested into it? Like, where does that come from? Like being extreme, I'm assuming, but being extreme about what made you so good at telling these stories or sharing or how do you get there?

00:54:57:09 - 00:55:17:13
Speaker 3
Well, first of all, it's it's a skill. And a skill is something that anybody can learn and get really good at. So anybody could become a great storyteller. I mean, the storytelling just happens to me. You know what batting and hitting used to be? To me, storytelling is now. I mean, all I wanted to do was, you know, go to a batting cage.

00:55:17:13 - 00:55:33:03
Speaker 3
All I wanted to do is take batting practice. And now all I want to do is tell stories in my school. If they if they if I got a letter from the president saying, you know, you could you could sort of feature as long as you want, but you can't tell stories anymore because storytelling is a favorite thing.

00:55:33:03 - 00:55:56:14
Speaker 3
And, you know, people say, well, what's your favorite story? My favorite story is my most recent story. You know, that I never ever heard before. But I think you like this story that of course, Mike, you know who Sandy Koufax is. Yes. Maybe the greatest lefty in picture of all time. Well, he grew up in Brooklyn. And believe it or not, he was a better basketball player in high school than a baseball player.

00:55:56:14 - 00:56:14:01
Speaker 3
But he was a left handed pitcher that threw in the nineties in the 1950s. If you were a left handed pitcher, and threw in the night if you got signed. So he got signed by the Dodgers and he went down to their training camp in Terrell Beach. And, you know, he's you know, he could throw smoke, but he had no control.

00:56:14:17 - 00:56:37:06
Speaker 3
And one day one of the bullpen catchers said, Hey, Sandy, why don't you try throwing softer now? Those two words shook his right. Everybody always said, throw harder, throw how to throw some. He said, throw softer. He took a little off his fastball and he became one of the greatest pitchers in the history of baseball. Just those two words throwing softer.

00:56:37:16 - 00:56:52:19
Speaker 3
You know, it just, you know, every once in a while, you you you hear a story about, oh, my aunt, my uncle, they went to this hypnosis hypnotist and after one session, they never smoked again for the rest of their life. So that's what you know, in a way, stories hypnotize us.

00:56:53:15 - 00:57:04:11
Speaker 2
At our former market, our former catcher. So that really resonates with us because catchers are way smarter than pitchers. We all are aware of this, whereas we're psychologists for pitchers. Yes.

00:57:04:24 - 00:57:08:01
Speaker 1
We've been doing sports psychology since we were teenagers.

00:57:09:09 - 00:57:12:07
Speaker 3
Skechers are right up there with always the smartest people in sports.

00:57:12:07 - 00:57:15:08
Speaker 4
You know, I love.

00:57:15:09 - 00:57:29:21
Speaker 1
It. I know we have a loyal listener who is a goalie and they and she's going to appreciate that comment for sure there. Dr. Gilbert, and she's a Massachusetts native to oh, Belmont. Belmont, Mass.

00:57:30:02 - 00:57:34:13
Speaker 3
So Belmont. Well, Belmont is a great it.

00:57:35:16 - 00:57:35:19
Speaker 4
Yeah.

00:57:36:05 - 00:58:04:01
Speaker 3
My my roommate was from Belmont, UMass, and my roommate's father was the chairperson of the astronomy department at Harvard University. And it just so happened the year that David Goldberg graduated. My roommate graduated the president, knowing who his father was, gave his father an honorary degree. So the kid graduates and the father is given an honorary degree. So this is in the UMass student newspaper.

00:58:04:13 - 00:58:27:04
Speaker 3
And one day after speech class, David's speech teacher shows up, shows the UMass newspaper and said, Goldberg, is this your father? He said, Yes, it is. Your father is the chairperson of the astronomy department at Harvard University. Said, Yes, he is. He said, If your father is a professor.

00:58:27:04 - 00:58:27:07
Speaker 4
At.

00:58:27:07 - 00:58:35:12
Speaker 3
Harvard, why aren't you a student at Harvard? He said, I'm not a student at Harvard for the same reason. You're not a teacher at Harvard.

00:58:41:09 - 00:58:42:20
Speaker 4
I love it. I love.

00:58:42:20 - 00:59:02:12
Speaker 2
It. I need you to do this one more and then I'll start my request here. I feel I can ask a request and say, so you got to request when you had your injury and you went to the hospital back at Yale and you look, you don't you really read through that book and you knew every single word of the I can remember the book you had read.

00:59:02:16 - 00:59:10:04
Speaker 2
You memorized every single word from the book. Can you share that with Mark? Just that blows my mind. How much that's your stream.

00:59:10:12 - 00:59:12:13
Speaker 3
Oh, that's the book. Hold on for a second.

00:59:12:18 - 00:59:33:21
Speaker 2
Okay. So I'll preview a little bit and maybe Dr. Miller to talk about a little bit. So he had an injury. He was in the hospital. You just can't stand still. So he read a book and literally remembers every single word from the book. And you can tell you what page it's on in all this stuff. It's I don't know how he does it, but I guess that's what extreme looks like.

00:59:34:15 - 00:59:42:19
Speaker 1
I got to ask you, gee, I we talk and we ask we often don't take time to ask each other these questions, but are you a storyteller in class?

00:59:43:16 - 01:00:04:01
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And sometimes I try to avoid some. We don't want to keep hearing stories from me, but at the same time, I hear him telling stories and engagement I get. Yeah, you kind of hope you got to be legit stories like the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to be pretty good stories because sometimes they catch me and then and then I'm like, well, I don't want to be that teacher that gets goes in the rabbit hole.

01:00:04:07 - 01:00:07:13
Speaker 2
And then my lessons started and I just told stories for 75 minutes on the list.

01:00:07:13 - 01:00:08:11
Speaker 1
The best. Those are the.

01:00:08:11 - 01:00:09:00
Speaker 4
Best.

01:00:10:02 - 01:00:10:24
Speaker 1
Who cares, right?

01:00:11:17 - 01:00:19:04
Speaker 2
Oh, I'm assuming you're also. Yeah, I only see each yeah. I always say we teach people in that curriculum, right? It's the way I look at. Yeah, yeah.

01:00:20:06 - 01:00:32:06
Speaker 3
Okay. So, JJ, we have a story that I memorized this book. So what I want you to do is it's a three, 400 page book and I'm just going to rifle through it.

01:00:35:05 - 01:00:36:17
Speaker 4
And you do just.

01:00:36:20 - 01:00:37:18
Speaker 3
Tell me when to stop.

01:00:43:01 - 01:00:43:23
Speaker 2
Mark, this is on you.

01:00:44:16 - 01:00:46:09
Speaker 4
Stop. Okay.

01:00:47:17 - 01:00:48:09
Speaker 3
We'll do it again.

01:00:49:08 - 01:00:50:20
Speaker 4
Stop. Okay.

01:00:51:02 - 01:00:54:17
Speaker 3
Now tell me if I could you could you read one of the pages?

01:00:55:20 - 01:00:56:03
Speaker 1
Yep.

01:00:57:03 - 01:01:07:01
Speaker 3
Okay. Now pick a word. It's long, like eight, nine, ten, 11, 12, 11. As long. Yeah, not do not tell me the word. You got a word?

01:01:07:09 - 01:01:08:12
Speaker 1
I got it. I got it.

01:01:08:17 - 01:01:14:13
Speaker 3
Okay, so I'm gonna close that. There's no way I can know the word. Can I?

01:01:15:17 - 01:01:16:06
Speaker 1
You would think.

01:01:16:06 - 01:01:19:00
Speaker 3
Not to think that. Okay, so.

01:01:19:18 - 01:01:23:10
Speaker 4
Um, let me think.

01:01:26:24 - 01:01:27:06
Speaker 3
So.

01:01:28:01 - 01:01:28:17
Speaker 2
I could go over to.

01:01:28:17 - 01:01:30:01
Speaker 4
The previous year.

01:01:32:15 - 01:01:38:08
Speaker 3
Sheer coincidence. Did your word begin with me?

01:01:38:18 - 01:01:39:05
Speaker 4
No.

01:01:39:15 - 01:01:45:01
Speaker 3
No. Okay, so uh, let me try again. Did it begin with an M?

01:01:46:01 - 01:01:46:11
Speaker 1
Nope.

01:01:46:21 - 01:01:48:00
Speaker 3
Okay. What? You were to begin with.

01:01:48:08 - 01:01:48:20
Speaker 4
J.

01:01:49:12 - 01:01:55:10
Speaker 3
J. Okay. So is your page on your right or on your left?

01:01:55:18 - 01:01:57:02
Speaker 1
The right migrate.

01:01:57:14 - 01:02:02:18
Speaker 3
Your right was your word on the top half of the page. Or the bottom half of the page?

01:02:03:08 - 01:02:05:02
Speaker 1
Middle third, middle third.

01:02:05:18 - 01:02:13:05
Speaker 3
Okay. The line that it was on was the word in the middle or in the left or on the right key.

01:02:13:05 - 01:02:14:07
Speaker 2
Remember the left.

01:02:14:22 - 01:02:20:16
Speaker 3
Okay. Was your word jabberwocky?

01:02:22:19 - 01:02:23:24
Speaker 4
No. Yeah.

01:02:24:17 - 01:02:27:07
Speaker 3
Just say yes. That was your word.

01:02:30:20 - 01:02:31:14
Speaker 3
Jamaica.

01:02:31:24 - 01:02:32:08
Speaker 1
No.

01:02:33:06 - 01:02:43:10
Speaker 3
Was it was it a geographical place? No. No. Okay. Well, you'll have to edit this out because Jack Hammer, it was, was.

01:02:43:14 - 01:02:44:10
Speaker 1
Jack Hammer.

01:02:53:04 - 01:03:05:12
Speaker 4
Oh, my God. I got you got to plug. Oh. Oh, man. I started feeling bad, too. I was like, man, what would have added that part? Oh, my God. That is.

01:03:05:13 - 01:03:06:13
Speaker 2
Ten times better for.

01:03:06:13 - 01:03:16:10
Speaker 1
Our listeners. Listening to the audio of this, I totally just got set up by both of these guys, and he had my word written down the whole time.

01:03:16:10 - 01:03:21:20
Speaker 3
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What were you set up or was I skilled no.

01:03:21:20 - 01:03:23:18
Speaker 4
Okay. Okay. I like that. I like that.

01:03:23:18 - 01:03:25:06
Speaker 1
We'll give that to you, Dr. Gilbert.

01:03:25:15 - 01:03:28:07
Speaker 4
You know, that's super skill. Extreme.

01:03:28:17 - 01:03:35:05
Speaker 3
That's what the Red Sox were down 30 to the Yankees, and they came back, won four straight. They weren't set up. They were skilled and unskilled.

01:03:35:06 - 01:03:44:10
Speaker 1
Okay, now let's back this up. I saw. Yes. You memorized a book. What possesses a human being to memorize a book.

01:03:47:23 - 01:03:48:07
Speaker 4
And we're.

01:03:48:07 - 01:03:50:14
Speaker 1
Talking like that's a book that's not like a like.

01:03:50:19 - 01:04:10:09
Speaker 3
I mean, the thing is that I want to give my students what's called a significant emotional event. So if a 70 like what I did a few weeks ago, I memorized the whole NCAA brackets for the men, and so did they. So they announce the brackets at 7:00 on a Sunday night, and by eight 40 on Monday morning, they could give me any.

01:04:10:09 - 01:04:24:03
Speaker 3
And I tell them everything who they're playing. I go through every bracket. I knew all 68 teams and I just want to show them it's possible if a 75 year old guy could do this. Don't tell me you can't memorize the presidents. You know.

01:04:24:18 - 01:04:34:04
Speaker 1
Gigi's grandfather used to he wasn't a skilled reader, but he was and he liked to act. So, Gigi, tell a story about how your grandfather memorized his lines.

01:04:34:22 - 01:04:54:09
Speaker 2
Yeah. So like Primo a little bit more where all this in the family. You know, you've heard in our introductory show and those of you that, you know, my grandfather gave up basically education to pick up another job to make sure his family was able to provide for his younger siblings because times are tough in the family. So reading never came to him.

01:04:54:15 - 01:05:12:15
Speaker 2
So it just wasn't a thing. So my grandfather was in his probably in a Lebanese and joined like an old age club. I guess their call to duty now for our French listeners and we wanted to get an acting and then they had roles to play. So he had somebody read out the lines recorded for him and he would just listen to him.

01:05:12:15 - 01:05:21:20
Speaker 2
And that's how we learn. He did it very I think that amazing job as an actor for, for the plays. But that's how we learned them. He adjusted, listen to the lines and pick up lines that way.

01:05:22:06 - 01:05:23:10
Speaker 3
There's always a way to.

01:05:23:13 - 01:05:24:18
Speaker 1
Adapt and evolve.

01:05:25:06 - 01:05:29:15
Speaker 3
Let me show a video for all your teachers. This is the most important video I could possibly show.

01:05:33:15 - 01:05:36:08
Speaker 2
That you've gotten so good just now. We picked it up right away.

01:05:36:10 - 01:05:38:22
Speaker 7
I have a lot of memories from when I was a child.

01:05:39:02 - 01:05:40:02
Speaker 3
Yes, yes. Yeah.

01:05:40:13 - 01:05:42:00
Speaker 2
Yeah. Mark sorry, but this.

01:05:42:00 - 01:06:08:10
Speaker 7
Christmas stuck out to me, though, was when I was about ten years old and I was in school and I struggled and I didn't struggle with English math or science. I struggled holding still, and I would try to listen and focus and process ideas, but I couldn't help myself and to be honest, I would sit there and then I would just start tapping and the students in the class would look at me and they'd say, Hey, stop tapping.

01:06:08:24 - 01:06:29:20
Speaker 7
A lot of the time, I didn't even realize I was doing it. And then eventually even the teachers got after me and they would yell at me and they'd say, Clint, you have to stop tapping it got so bad that I got sent to the principal's office for tapping. And he said to me, Kimmy, when you go back to class, just try sitting on your hands.

01:06:30:05 - 01:06:51:17
Speaker 7
So I did. I went back to class when I felt myself starting to tap. I just I did this. I sat on my hands, and that worked for about 5 seconds. One time I was tapping in class, and my teacher, Mr. Jenson, he looked at me and he yelled and said, Clint, stay after class. And I thought to myself, This is it.

01:06:51:18 - 01:07:15:10
Speaker 7
I am done. Now, I've always been the type of person that believes that a single moment in time can change a person's life. And this was one of those moments for me that I will never forget it. And so I was sitting there with Mr. Jenson and an empty classroom. He walked past me and he sat next to his desk and he said, Clint, come here, I'll talk to you.

01:07:16:21 - 01:07:24:05
Speaker 7
And as he looked me right in the eye, he said, No, I need to know something. You're not in trouble. But I do have just one question.

01:07:25:01 - 01:07:29:05
Speaker 6
That I have to ask you. And he asked he said, Have you.

01:07:29:05 - 01:07:47:12
Speaker 7
Ever thought about playing the drums? And in that moment, Mr. Jensen, he leaned back and he opened the top drawer of his desk, and he reached it in, and he pulled out my very first pair of drumsticks, and he held them in his hands. And he looked at me and he said, Hey, Clint, you're not a problem.

01:07:49:14 - 01:07:50:09
Speaker 6
I think you're a trouble.

01:08:03:02 - 01:08:24:12
Speaker 7
From that moment on, I'd never put those six down toward recording and played drums all over the world. My whole college education was paid for with drumsticks in my hands. Just because of a single moment in time when somebody believed in me and he saw something in me that I didn't even see within myself.

01:08:27:05 - 01:08:35:09
Speaker 7
And from that moment, I learned that there's a difference between being the best in the world and being the best for the world.

01:08:38:20 - 01:08:40:00
Speaker 3
So is that a great story?

01:08:41:11 - 01:08:41:20
Speaker 4
Well.

01:08:42:08 - 01:08:45:19
Speaker 3
Let me just let me just say goodbye to my students I'll be right.

01:08:45:19 - 01:08:50:01
Speaker 2
Back, okay? All right. So I know you can.

01:08:50:06 - 01:08:52:06
Speaker 1
We're just going to go. It's just easier to you.

01:08:52:10 - 01:08:58:17
Speaker 2
Okay. So I'm going to get him to talk. Dr. Gilbert got to take care of something because you're listening.

01:08:59:10 - 01:09:06:14
Speaker 1
He is working right now, by the way, to actively is get a class at Montclair State, correct? Yeah.

01:09:07:11 - 01:09:15:03
Speaker 2
So you can get him explain later. It is a six hour study marathon happening. I don't know how that works. So I'll get him to explain a little bit in detail. With us.

01:09:17:22 - 01:09:23:24
Speaker 2
Mark to Atlanta. Where are you at right now with this process? This is good because we get a little bit of time to reflect within meaning that.

01:09:26:08 - 01:09:42:03
Speaker 1
I want to be in a classroom or in front of a team right now. Right. How many times again, this is what I'm going to say to Dr. Gilbert when he comes back is the video he just shared with us. We'll have to put all these little up, have all these videos linked up in our in our show, by the way, for four people that are listening to us.

01:09:43:16 - 01:10:06:05
Speaker 1
The person is not the problem. The problem is the problem. And I think we forget about that as coaches. It's one probably one of the first things we forget about when problems arise with a student, with an athlete, with a colleague. Right. Like, what's the back story to what's going on? Right.

01:10:06:06 - 01:10:17:04
Speaker 2
So I think it's time to that. And that's the unfortunate not that it's unfortunate. We don't take the time to kind of dig a little bit deeper. We just scratch a surface and we don't dig a little bit deeper.

01:10:17:10 - 01:10:17:19
Speaker 4
Yeah.

01:10:20:14 - 01:10:42:01
Speaker 1
There's just there's so much stuff here. Like, it's just we need more time. Like, he's got so much stuff to give an offer, which is incredible. Like, you feel like no matter he's in his seventies and he's still crushing it when it comes to giving to his. Do you not feel like if you're a leader and I could see like podcasters like us all flock to him.

01:10:42:01 - 01:11:03:02
Speaker 1
If you're in the mental performance game, he is the he's the guru, he's the pied piper of, of mental performance coaches in leadership like the best leaders in the world, the best mental performance coaches in the world reference half their stuff probably comes from Dr. Gilbert, if not more. So this guys, but he's probably the original mental performance coach when it comes to this type of stuff.

01:11:03:02 - 01:11:24:00
Speaker 1
And I think it crosses so many boundaries. I don't even know boundaries is the right word. But if you're a business leader, if you're a student, like there's there's no boundaries for what this man is offering you to learn. And J.G. You've been listening to the Success Hotline for how many years now have you been subscribed for?

01:11:24:00 - 01:11:25:05
Speaker 2
About three or four years now.

01:11:26:02 - 01:11:42:13
Speaker 1
And if you think about it, it's when we talk that 1% better. What are you better today than you were yesterday? That's what start like. It's two or 3 minutes a day that you can listen to a success hotline. If you're not listening to our podcast, you better be listening to his, you know. And the thing is, it started as a phone call.

01:11:42:16 - 01:12:06:20
Speaker 1
I love it. That's old school. If you want to go old school, you could still call the number. And we're going to include the number again. 9737434690. If you call that number right now, you will get Dr. Gilbert a voicemail. He said he left a voicemail for you. And if you want to listen to it, you can if you want it sent right to your devices.

01:12:07:10 - 01:12:23:24
Speaker 1
You subscribe to it on on any of the regular podcast channel. So we're going to have all these links up. Like this is a lot of the stuff that he's giving are game changers over 30 years, like I said before, 11,371 messages to date. And he keeps grinding them out every single day.

01:12:23:24 - 01:12:38:10
Speaker 2
It's crazy now looking at and I'm doing this to my team though. I've given this to my team. So I just want to give listeners because I had some we discuss this with me. Yeah, there is a cost that there's a long distance cost of going to call that number there's going to be long distance charges that apply.

01:12:38:10 - 01:12:49:11
Speaker 2
So just apply. I yeah, sometimes for some people that don't have that free long this to us. No, correct. So if just be aware and if not just jump on the podcast for free. Yeah, yeah.

01:12:49:13 - 01:13:12:08
Speaker 1
That's I like the podcast because you listen to it, but it's neat to call somebody. Some of us are lonely, right? So if you're and you want to there's a number with a human on the other end giving you a motivational message. And again, you and I talk a lot about being each other's accountability partners. If you're looking for an accountability partner for a little kick in the butt to get you going on the day and you start, you usually listen to it first thing in the morning, correct?

01:13:12:18 - 01:13:30:05
Speaker 2
Yeah. It's like on my have a chair and on my way to work every single day, no matter what's going on, my life like that. It's like literally when I thought about AMPM routines in my PM routine, when I plan to drive, when I know I'm not going anywhere else for the rest of the night, I set my wallet, everything up on my vehicle.

01:13:30:05 - 01:13:41:24
Speaker 2
So when I come in in the morning, I call the number. I'm not even pulled out of the my driveway yet and it's like good morning success all my mom and by the time he gets the lights, it's over and I'm reflecting the whole time on, you know, going into work now.

01:13:42:08 - 01:13:57:17
Speaker 1
I'm relatively new to it so I've only listened to I think make two dozen of them. Is there one in particular to you that you if you had to save one and share it with your own boys and every person that you know? Is there a difference maker for you, buddy?

01:13:58:11 - 01:14:05:00
Speaker 2
You won't like this one. Yeah, it's the one that's tomorrow and it's going to be the one on Tuesday. Then it's going be the one on Wednesday. I'm I'm.

01:14:05:00 - 01:14:05:23
Speaker 1
Getting set up all.

01:14:06:07 - 01:14:06:11
Speaker 4
This.

01:14:06:17 - 01:14:08:03
Speaker 1
Show, which is great.

01:14:08:12 - 01:14:25:22
Speaker 2
I'm just telling because I literally like I don't know it sometimes it's like he's speaking to you specifically because you're going in and you had whatever you had going on your morning or something happened last night and you listen to this and it just gives you a full perspective. You're looking to deal with the person at work, maybe you're an athlete and you hear something.

01:14:25:22 - 01:14:41:12
Speaker 2
You're just like, is it is in my head right now. Yeah. So it's just but I've maybe it's because we're receptive, more receptive to it in in that setting. But I'm guessing maybe you have one right now. You've listened to, like you said, a couple of dozen or something that kind of like, yeah, I never thought about it that way.

01:14:42:17 - 01:15:08:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. It's funny because the no, they're all good and like you say, they're all good. And it's funny, before coming to the show, I was thinking about this is like which one is stands out to me but they're personal to be. So the last one, he just what is it? 11,003 71. You're even mentions Emily so I don't know who Emily is, but he's talking about motivation and what you need to do to get better.

01:15:08:22 - 01:15:32:06
Speaker 1
And it's just like it's for everybody. It's it's global it's universal and it's appeal, I guess, you know, and what your answer is, right? Like this is how you get better tomorrow. And again, I'm going to be probably four years catching up to 11,000 I do want to know 11,000 messages but you could just put them on you just put them on slow if you're got a long drive and if you're not better after listening to this.

01:15:33:03 - 01:15:34:16
Speaker 2
Yeah spectrum is wrong.

01:15:35:04 - 01:15:35:17
Speaker 4
And I don't know.

01:15:35:17 - 01:15:41:02
Speaker 1
How I'm going to edit this show man. We got each pick. He shows a nice pick up as well. I don't see.

01:15:41:02 - 01:15:41:18
Speaker 4
That one coming.

01:15:43:16 - 01:16:05:15
Speaker 2
The way I wanted him to do that one, but I don't even team up on that one. So that was really good and I was sure with Mark pre-show, I think it was reported how I so I vulnerable Dr. Gilbert through ranking. So I'm listening and I'm a way into to school one day and he leaves a message saying, Hey, if you need help with your class to get things going and let me share this story with them actually here.

01:16:05:23 - 01:16:25:16
Speaker 2
Dr. Gilbert, I'm just I'm sharing a quick story about you specifically. So because Mark asked me how do you even with that, like how does that happen? So I was introduced to you through Brian came through like, hey, call a success hotline, become a habit and then so one day I'm going into school and you left a message on your voicemail.

01:16:25:16 - 01:16:41:12
Speaker 2
Basically, it said, you know, if you're looking for some ideas for your class today, whatever the case may be, here's my never give me a call. So I finally build up the courage because I just didn't have the courage to call this number. I don't know what it is. I called the number expecting I have to leave another message.

01:16:41:12 - 01:16:58:13
Speaker 2
And Dr. Gilbert answers. And then I was buckled. I was like, in this like a real person, it's like, really, Dr. Gilbert, that I'm speaking to you. And I just didn't want to say anyway, it was the best class I ever had that day. I was the one with the $20 bill where you get them to reach higher and higher and higher.

01:16:58:20 - 01:17:06:03
Speaker 2
So let me just finish up the last story. That's how it was. Like it. Like Mark said, it turns out very personal. You know, the messages directly to certain people.

01:17:08:03 - 01:17:09:10
Speaker 1
How was your class?

01:17:09:10 - 01:17:11:00
Speaker 3
Okay. Excuse me?

01:17:11:01 - 01:17:12:03
Speaker 1
Was your class okay?

01:17:14:09 - 01:17:22:03
Speaker 3
Yeah, there were there were only about four or five people left so I showed them like the Mr. and story.

01:17:22:18 - 01:17:23:15
Speaker 2
Oh, love it.

01:17:24:03 - 01:17:43:16
Speaker 3
So I showed that in class. And one of my students says That reminds me of my friend Rachel. I said, Who's Rachel? She said, Well, we went to grade school together, and Rachel was like the kid, but she or she was a singer. And she used to hum in class all the time. And the teachers used to throw out and send this to the principal.

01:17:43:22 - 01:18:04:16
Speaker 3
And all the other kids said, Rachel, stop hounding, stop humming, and I said, When's the last time you saw Rachel? And she said, Well, we integrated school together. And then she switched schools. So I didn't see her till last Friday night. I said, Well, what did you do last Friday night? She said, I went to the movies and I saw West Side Story, and Rachel played Maria in West Side Story.

01:18:05:06 - 01:18:17:24
Speaker 3
So the kid that was throwing a class for humming and 30,000 people applied for that thing of Marie in West Side Story, and Steven Spielberg could get the Compton class.

01:18:18:17 - 01:18:18:23
Speaker 4
Yeah.

01:18:20:13 - 01:18:23:03
Speaker 1
Things happen for you, not too you.

01:18:23:15 - 01:18:24:18
Speaker 4
So yeah, yeah.

01:18:25:02 - 01:18:42:02
Speaker 1
I need to ask to Gigi a talked about sleep seminar. So like to me, sleeping is an interesting concept. But, you know, J.G. was saying how his wife was having some challenges with sleep and how do you dove into the sleeping realm? Dr. Gilbert.

01:18:43:04 - 01:18:51:14
Speaker 3
Well, I mean, sleep just like anything is a skill. It could be learned. It could be developed, you know, so it's not it's not that strange.

01:18:52:03 - 01:18:52:11
Speaker 4
Wow.

01:18:53:12 - 01:18:55:22
Speaker 1
It's like everything else. You form a good habit, like.

01:18:56:07 - 01:19:19:12
Speaker 3
Well, look at this. We go to school and, you know, we're tested. And most of the things we're tested on have to do with memory. But nobody ever teaches us how to memorize you know, everybody has anxiety disorders. Nobody ever teaches us how to relax. So it seems pretty obvious. I think I teach a lot of stuff that nobody else teaches.

01:19:19:19 - 01:19:22:21
Speaker 3
I don't know why it so well.

01:19:23:01 - 01:19:37:12
Speaker 2
Give us an example of a sleep. And you did a great job. It had a positive effect with actually I think I got more than my wife did is I remember that one of the things you talked about, he said you're going to have some thoughts that come through your head and you're trying to sleep. The people are struggling for sleep.

01:19:37:23 - 01:19:50:24
Speaker 2
He said. Give it its attention, but don't take it serious. Just like move on to the next thing when we give too much attention or focus on the things we're thinking about before going to bed. And I remember you saying it just don't give it the attention. It like give it its attention and don't take it serious.

01:19:50:24 - 01:19:52:21
Speaker 4
And yeah, that is what.

01:19:53:07 - 01:20:17:01
Speaker 3
The thing is. We could do it right now. The the biggest thing with stress reduction in sleep is we we have two parts of our body. The stress response in the relaxation response is we have the right arm. If a right arm says stress response, it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger in our left arm is like underdeveloped because we never practice our relaxation response.

01:20:17:13 - 01:20:40:21
Speaker 3
So the relaxation response has to do with two words letting go. So we could do this right now. So what I'd like you to do is open your eyes and close your eyes and open your eyes and close your eyes and notice how when you close your eyes, it's effortless. So just keep your eyes closed. Now you're sitting in a chair, so don't support yourself in the chair.

01:20:40:21 - 01:21:05:04
Speaker 3
Let the chair support you. So just let the chair support you. Don't support yourself in the chair. And now don't breathe the air. Let the air breathe. You so you're just letting go, letting go, letting go, letting go. And any thoughts you have are fine. Just let them thank you and you could let them come in and let them go.

01:21:06:03 - 01:21:28:01
Speaker 3
So if you let your eyes close, if you let the chair support you, if you let the air breathe, you and then let the thoughts thank you, you're going to automatically trigger the relaxation response. This will relax you and it will also help you fall asleep. So this is what you have to practice. You have to practice releasing, relaxing and letting go.

01:21:28:01 - 01:21:36:02
Speaker 3
Letting go. Letting go, letting go. So that's that's a basic, you know, that's the basic principle behind all the stuff.

01:21:36:19 - 01:21:38:14
Speaker 4
Oh, I love how.

01:21:39:22 - 01:22:05:06
Speaker 1
Even in this as well as your messages on the hotline, there's a simplicity, there's a depth, but yet a simplicity to them. And I don't mean that in an insulting way, but it's like it's so simple, it's applicable, it's usable, it can transform you immediately. Where I find a lot of people in the mental performance part, it's so complex and complicated what they're trying to get people to do that, they're like, I'm not doing that.

01:22:05:12 - 01:22:14:11
Speaker 1
It takes way too much effort. Where I find this is you're making it effortless for people. And I mean that in the most and serious, positive way possible. Yeah.

01:22:14:20 - 01:22:38:22
Speaker 3
Well, you hit the you said exactly like meditation and relaxation is effortless. If it takes any effort, you're doing it wrong. In sports, psychology is incredibly simple, you know, keep your mind on the present, not in the future. The presents, I mean, it's, it's not easy at me. It's easy to understand. It might not be simple to do, but it's surely easy to understand.

01:22:43:07 - 01:22:46:02
Speaker 2
The lesson here. So there's a lot that I.

01:22:46:02 - 01:22:49:20
Speaker 1
Want to know. Hang on. I want to know. Go ahead, go ahead. I'll come back to it. I'll come back to it.

01:22:50:24 - 01:23:18:07
Speaker 2
Dr. Gilbert, you also introduced me to another gentleman that Marc and I have already spoke to, Andrew Marotta. Andrew Marotta is someone you had told me about through the Success Hotline. I jumped on a lot of his seminars about book writing. And then while I'm in the seminar, I won a free session. So Mark and I jumped on the session, and he said, being from the New York area, as soon as you heard the word, I said, you know, my cousin Mark Messier, jump on with us.

01:23:18:07 - 01:23:40:04
Speaker 2
We're looking at doing something. You Mark messages, definitely. If anybody from New York, then they will work messages. So he thought he was the NHL player. Mark Messier, maybe a little bit disappointed. Mark and Michael. I was a little disappointed. Just a and then anyways, so I want to dig into that a little bit, too. On the on the book writing part, just what would you recommend for people who are going down that avenue?

01:23:40:04 - 01:23:50:16
Speaker 2
You know, you've done a lot of those things in that field and help people. What's your suggestion for some of our listeners or others that are trying to get in that wheelhouse? I guess, about book writing?

01:23:51:08 - 01:23:51:19
Speaker 4
Well.

01:23:52:02 - 01:24:16:19
Speaker 3
Find a topic that solves a person's problem. You know, like Andrew Marotta, I mean, principals have problems and he's tapped into that, you know, so find something that's going on. And so kids get nervous. Kids have to learn how to deal with failure, how to deal with failure, how to deal with losses. That's a good topic, but only have one type and become an expert in the topic.

01:24:17:01 - 01:24:35:11
Speaker 3
So find the unique problem solving area and become the world class expert in that area. Now, you might think world class expert, well, you could become a real class expert one or two ways. You could do what I did and put more than 50 years into studying one topic. Or you could do an easy way if you are.

01:24:35:13 - 01:24:59:17
Speaker 3
Suppose you want to know everything about you know, strength training for youth sports. If you interview the world's leading experts on strength training for youth sports, you'll probably be the only person that's ever interview the top experts. So if you interview the eight or ten top experts, you'll become one of the experts because you spoke to all the other experts you know.

01:25:00:07 - 01:25:01:03
Speaker 1
Kind of what we're doing.

01:25:01:18 - 01:25:18:23
Speaker 3
So yeah, I want to be the experts on the psychology of ball shooting and basketball. Well, find the best foul shooting coaches in the country. Find the teams that have the best shot while shooting percentages behind schools and then interview these coaches, and you'll be the only one that ever did it. And you will be the expert.

01:25:19:17 - 01:25:37:01
Speaker 2
When you say you'll be the only one who ever did it. Just is it because people don't like and I think that's what's happening now. We have more access to more people than we've ever had in history where I can just go find somebody through email or a call or this is going to be a way we can surround ourselves with more of those people.

01:25:37:08 - 01:25:41:13
Speaker 2
But I guess people never think those people are attainable, if that's the right word.

01:25:42:04 - 01:25:43:19
Speaker 3
They're very accessible nowadays.

01:25:44:05 - 01:25:45:19
Speaker 1
Well, you're a perfect example of that.

01:25:46:09 - 01:25:49:20
Speaker 3
Hopefully they were even more accessible I'm sorry, you're going to say no.

01:25:50:05 - 01:26:11:02
Speaker 1
No, you're right. It made people accessible. But Gigi told me this like you just shared a story like you're somebody who you know, I would have perceived to not be accessible because you're just you're you're a big deal. But Gigi calls you one day and you pick up the phone and here you are speaking with us tonight, which is amazing to me.

01:26:11:16 - 01:26:27:23
Speaker 1
And we interviewed a professional lacrosse player. And one of the things he said now to is we have more access to players. They they're more public than they ever were before. They're doing calls, are doing clinical stuff. I think the information is there and there's no harm in trying to send you a message and say, hey, Dr. Gilbert, would you be on our show?

01:26:28:04 - 01:26:37:23
Speaker 1
We want to share your message with all our listeners and stuff. So as I know, Brian Cain has and lots of other people have done with you, but the access that accessibility is people just have to take a shot.

01:26:38:17 - 01:26:58:17
Speaker 3
Well, the way I look at my position, I want to be an accessible expert, you know, so when I went back to my class, a kid jumped on late in the study marathon. So he said, Dr. Yogurt, sometimes in the study marathon, I have guest speakers. He said, Dr. Gilbert, did you have any guest speakers today? Said, Oh, I'm sorry you came in late.

01:26:59:11 - 01:27:09:05
Speaker 3
You missed Tony Robbins or Tony Robbins. I did it. You know, you I told you, I can't believe this. I said, too bad. You know.

01:27:09:20 - 01:27:10:01
Speaker 4
Yourself.

01:27:10:10 - 01:27:12:16
Speaker 1
Did you did you let him off the hook at least?

01:27:12:22 - 01:27:13:12
Speaker 4
No, no.

01:27:14:00 - 01:27:23:18
Speaker 3
I you will not get Tony Robbins. He's not he he's an expert, but he's not accessible. Yeah. So I'm accessible.

01:27:24:00 - 01:27:37:23
Speaker 1
But some people choose not to be accessible either. And I think and one of the things that our mission guy and I are after is we do seminars like this because people have been accessible to us and we want to do the same thing and pass it on, which I think makes other people's lives better.

01:27:38:20 - 01:27:44:22
Speaker 3
To tell you the truth, this is the most fun thing I'm going to be doing on a Sunday afternoon Okay.

01:27:44:22 - 01:27:53:06
Speaker 1
Well, we appreciate now I need to ask a question here before Gigi jumps in. Send me a story. That's your email address. What? Give me the background on that.

01:27:54:09 - 01:28:03:07
Speaker 3
Well, back in the nineties, because of Success Hotline, I was recruited to get it. The world's most popular mode of it.

01:28:04:15 - 01:28:07:16
Speaker 4
Here we go. Oh, I bet so. Yeah.

01:28:07:22 - 01:28:14:21
Speaker 1
So if our listeners, we send Dr. Gilbert on these missions and he goes and pulls a book off a shelf in his office, here and a mini kettlebell.

01:28:14:24 - 01:28:15:21
Speaker 4
Oh, yeah.

01:28:16:08 - 01:28:40:24
Speaker 3
It's called Bits and Pieces Magazine. And it's, it's a magazine that came out 14 times a year, you know. Oh, wow, what a great story. And so I was an editor for eight years. And the reason that you heard about me is through success, all mine. So when I got my job in bits and pieces, I needed an email.

01:28:41:03 - 01:29:01:24
Speaker 3
So, I mean, what did I want? My, you know, we had 250,000 subscribers and it was written in, let's see, Spanish, Japanese in America, in English. And when I came up with an email address back in the nineties, I wanted them to send me stories. So my email address came send me a story at AOL Dotcom.

01:29:02:09 - 01:29:10:24
Speaker 1
Amazing. Now, speaking of subscribers, give us a rough estimate. How many people dial in to the Success Hotline on a daily basis?

01:29:11:09 - 01:29:14:11
Speaker 3
I don't know exactly, but hundreds, you know, hundreds.

01:29:15:01 - 01:29:17:21
Speaker 1
And that's not even counting the podcast, which is probably.

01:29:18:03 - 01:29:27:23
Speaker 3
I don't I don't have no I have no idea what the podcast. I love what they told me they told me the number and I didn't even believe it. That'd be.

01:29:28:12 - 01:29:33:04
Speaker 1
Good for you and good for the people that are listening and doing it, which is.

01:29:34:15 - 01:29:40:08
Speaker 3
The people that do the podcast. They do it. They do it. They just like my hotline. They do it free. You know.

01:29:41:06 - 01:29:47:20
Speaker 2
That's not a single mark up to, what, two years ago, maybe three years ago with the phone. And then all of a sudden you flip to this stuff that the.

01:29:48:17 - 01:29:54:11
Speaker 3
Company called Ironclad, their first class. I mean, they're they're wonderful people and they they they treat me wonderful.

01:29:55:02 - 01:30:11:10
Speaker 1
That's really cool. I would love I said to G.G. and I know just with the younger the messages are getting and I know you have a target audience is probably really broad. And I know a lot of people are nice to try to release like Tic-Tacs and videos like your three minute videos would just crush.

01:30:12:05 - 01:30:13:01
Speaker 4
Her and.

01:30:13:13 - 01:30:16:10
Speaker 1
That type of stuff. And we should we should make you a Tik Tok star.

01:30:16:10 - 01:30:17:09
Speaker 4
Dr. No. Yeah.

01:30:19:07 - 01:30:43:13
Speaker 2
But like you're always evolving, you're always listening, you're always trying to learn. So I'm going back. You went about the wrestler you went to, I think was a seminar you said in 2011 you know, against one of your peers really in a sense because as somebody wrestled at the same time as do you, you went to a seminar one of your peers is the way I look at it, you're always trying to learn like why like people just they just kind of idle.

01:30:44:01 - 01:30:53:13
Speaker 3
I oh, I want to get a great story you know you know I knew I mean I wasn't sure he was going to say something memorable but like I hoped he would.

01:30:53:23 - 01:30:56:11
Speaker 2
So you put yourself in that situation at least.

01:30:57:04 - 01:31:09:19
Speaker 3
How difficult was that? The most difficult part was driving their most difficult work. You know, they say what's the most what's the most difficult part of the workout, opening the door to the gym. You know what you're getting, you're all set.

01:31:11:09 - 01:31:13:24
Speaker 2
But it sounds so simple. But it's not only that.

01:31:14:04 - 01:31:20:19
Speaker 1
I didn't like running. I had a friend who was an ultra marathoner, and he says the hardest thing about is doing it is stepping up to that start line.

01:31:21:05 - 01:31:21:24
Speaker 4
You put the.

01:31:23:11 - 01:31:40:03
Speaker 3
I tell the story on the hotline all the time about Tom Fleming, who won the New York City Marathon twice, and he came to my class. I didn't tell that story today. Good. I don't think so. And he used to use the train by running 135, 150 miles a week. I don't I don't drive that much. And he's running that much.

01:31:40:03 - 01:31:50:18
Speaker 3
Yeah. So one of my students said, Do you like running that much that you run 130 500? He said, No, most days I don't feel like running until I start running yeah.

01:31:51:02 - 01:31:51:08
Speaker 2
Yeah.

01:31:51:24 - 01:31:55:20
Speaker 1
That's a start that stops most people. I don't know how many times we say that on our show.

01:31:56:08 - 01:32:05:07
Speaker 2
What about the gentleman you had? One of the strongest men in the in the planet of the world. He's been in that piece of steel. Walk us through that one.

01:32:06:03 - 01:32:25:16
Speaker 3
Well, let me see if I could find, you know, so this guy is the strongest strongman who ever lived the same as Dennis Rogers. And he used to come to my class because he'd be on TV in New York the next day. So would be in my class at Monday. Night and blow up hot water bottles and it rip New York City phone books and benches.

01:32:25:20 - 01:32:44:19
Speaker 3
Also, like this is one of the ones he'd been. But every once in a while, the hot water bottle, when it burst in the the chisel wouldn't bend or the he couldn't rip the phone book. And you actually saw it happen. It was like this glee. He got energized by the difficulty when it when he didn't bend, you could tell he got excited.

01:32:44:19 - 01:33:04:02
Speaker 3
So I think this is the ultimate skill to be turned on by difficulty. You know, if you're turned on by difficult math problems, you're going to win a Nobel Prize in math. Imagine getting turned off on by difficult opponents, you know, like your your team has seeded six and you're going against the number one seed in the first oh, go to go out against the best.

01:33:04:02 - 01:33:10:07
Speaker 3
We're going to really bring it to them. You know, so getting turned on by difficult, I think is the ultimate skill.

01:33:11:15 - 01:33:17:12
Speaker 2
Would you imagine going to eat his classes like, oh, I want to in this person and this person and this person.

01:33:17:23 - 01:33:22:00
Speaker 1
Man, you I might pop into your class, Dr. Gilbert, sooner than.

01:33:22:00 - 01:33:24:10
Speaker 3
Later in any time because they're all online now.

01:33:24:20 - 01:33:25:06
Speaker 4
Oh.

01:33:26:07 - 01:33:27:13
Speaker 2
Wow. That easily, I guess.

01:33:27:23 - 01:33:38:13
Speaker 3
Oh, you know who I met? It's one of my new hotline callers and he is the one of the official scorers for the Boston Red Sox.

01:33:39:02 - 01:33:39:13
Speaker 1
Really?

01:33:40:00 - 01:33:40:08
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:33:41:20 - 01:33:46:04
Speaker 1
And here's the other thing is I know how you I love how, you know, your callers.

01:33:47:20 - 01:33:48:15
Speaker 4
Well like.

01:33:48:15 - 01:33:49:00
Speaker 1
You know your.

01:33:49:00 - 01:33:53:17
Speaker 3
Callers. I don't I don't have too many other friends right.

01:33:53:23 - 01:33:56:09
Speaker 4
The book, man. Oh, man.

01:33:57:05 - 01:33:59:10
Speaker 1
So good. So entertaining.

01:33:59:13 - 01:34:01:17
Speaker 3
Okay. So if I'd done a pretty good job.

01:34:01:21 - 01:34:02:16
Speaker 1
Oh, my God.

01:34:03:03 - 01:34:10:24
Speaker 3
Okay, so I'll make a deal with you. Yeah, you you could keep the Mickey Mantle autograph. You just cut off the Ted Williams autograph on the bottle, okay?

01:34:11:19 - 01:34:15:17
Speaker 4
She's oh, my God.

01:34:16:01 - 01:34:17:09
Speaker 1
Oh, that's so good.

01:34:18:02 - 01:34:40:15
Speaker 2
Let's let's actually. One. Yeah, maybe one. I just. I give three topics, Doc Gilbert, you pick whatever it is, and then we'll all kind of set you free. And fortunately, we're working with the athlete athletes business people. If you can give us some insight on that leadership or public speaking, one of those three, pick whatever you're comfortable with again.

01:34:40:15 - 01:34:47:13
Speaker 2
So working with athletes or businesses, how does that play out? How is that workouts that look discussed, a little bit of leadership or public speaking?

01:34:47:13 - 01:34:55:03
Speaker 3
Well, I could talk about all three, whether I'm working with athletes or them working with businesspeople or what was the last one? Leadership.

01:34:55:13 - 01:34:55:20
Speaker 4
Yeah.

01:34:56:04 - 01:35:04:07
Speaker 3
It's all the same. So like last night, I did a seminar for my callers you weren't there. Where are you changing now?

01:35:04:07 - 01:35:19:02
Speaker 2
Because I was ten enough for today. I have it's funny you say that. Hold on a lot before you do that because it's literally on my phone if you look at it or you hear the I don't think you guys can see a life changing with Dr. Gilbert because that was the summer of this week there. I was.

01:35:19:02 - 01:35:19:24
Speaker 2
Life changing, correct?

01:35:20:13 - 01:35:41:18
Speaker 3
Yeah. So halfway through the seminar, I said, Okay, we got to do an evaluation on on how good a job I did and what I want to do is I want you to go to the chat, but I don't want you to put whether you like this or not, I don't want you to talk about how interesting it was.

01:35:41:18 - 01:35:55:19
Speaker 3
I don't want to talk about whether you benefit. There's only one thing I wanted to know, and this gets to your question, whether I'm working with athletes, whether we're going to business people, or whether I'm talking about leadership. The only thing I want to know is on a scale of one to ten, I'm talking to people from last night.

01:35:56:03 - 01:36:18:05
Speaker 3
I want you to grade me ten high, one low. I'm a nine or ten. If you think I totally believe what I what I'd be talking to you about tonight. If you don't think I totally believe it, I'm a one or two. If you're not sure I'm a four or five or six. So the most important thing, like suppose you move to a new community and you're looking for a church, and what are you looking for?

01:36:18:14 - 01:36:38:16
Speaker 3
You're looking for a person who really believes. You want to believe that they believe, you know? So one of the things I do in class, I show a video of T.D. Jakes, probably the top evangelists in the world the Christian evangelists. And after this, 5 minutes of ranting and sweating and preaching, and it's just incredible. I put it off.

01:36:38:16 - 01:37:02:15
Speaker 3
I say, look, this is a kind of complicated question. I'm not asking you whether you believe in God. I'm asking you whether you believe he believes. So the most important thing I want to know is, do you believe that I believe or am I just saying these words? Because, you know, when when my students said doubting that I believe that when I retire, you know, but because I totally, totally believe all this stuff, I totally believe it.

01:37:03:12 - 01:37:10:05
Speaker 3
But there's one thing about believing. It's another thing about conveying it. So I have to, number one, believe it myself and number to convey it.

01:37:11:03 - 01:37:12:15
Speaker 1
And you're doing both well.

01:37:12:17 - 01:37:20:03
Speaker 3
And then then you have to, um, you have to be extreme. You have to be outrageous.

01:37:22:02 - 01:37:36:18
Speaker 1
You shoved the icepick in your nose, which covers both of those the. But I say, like, you know, with this hot line, what's next? What are you doing next? Like. Like, what? What can we expect next? Like, and this is.

01:37:37:05 - 01:37:38:19
Speaker 3
Well, if you invite me back.

01:37:40:04 - 01:37:41:03
Speaker 2
Not if we win.

01:37:41:08 - 01:37:46:17
Speaker 1
Yes, we were just hoping we didn't. Yeah. Throw you off and you want to spend more time with us.

01:37:47:16 - 01:37:53:20
Speaker 2
Listeners again. He's got to go. Gets something else. This is going to be a YouTube. You guys got to go to YouTube.

01:37:53:20 - 01:37:54:08
Speaker 4
All right.

01:37:55:16 - 01:38:06:16
Speaker 3
I will do. That's a real arrow so I will do something with the arrow. Okay.

01:38:07:07 - 01:38:07:20
Speaker 4
Okay.

01:38:08:17 - 01:38:11:12
Speaker 3
I won't I won't tell you what, because I don't want to keep you up late at night.

01:38:13:06 - 01:38:16:10
Speaker 4
I can barely look at that. Oh, man. Oh.

01:38:17:01 - 01:38:21:02
Speaker 1
So good. While we we appreciate you spending this time with us.

01:38:21:03 - 01:38:22:19
Speaker 3
It's it's it's been a pleasure.

01:38:22:19 - 01:38:48:23
Speaker 1
It's it's motivating, it's enlightening. It's making me want to be a better teacher, better coach, better leader. All of the things that I'm sure you set out to be. And I think the people that listen and tune into your hotline, your students, it's only propagating itself across the planet. Which is unbelievable. So good for you. And we're very fortunate to have you as accessible as you.

01:38:48:23 - 01:38:59:19
Speaker 3
I just want a text message. I just got a text message telling my good friend Mark that I'm watching him, and we're going to do it this year.

01:39:02:04 - 01:39:02:18
Speaker 4
You didn't hear.

01:39:02:18 - 01:39:03:11
Speaker 3
It was from.

01:39:03:16 - 01:39:04:19
Speaker 1
No. Who is it from?

01:39:05:03 - 01:39:06:08
Speaker 3
Elk Wine.

01:39:10:12 - 01:39:13:07
Speaker 1
Oh, great. Tiger. A great legend.

01:39:13:16 - 01:39:18:24
Speaker 3
Why a man who is the greatest who is the greatest tiger of all time?

01:39:19:04 - 01:39:21:14
Speaker 1
Well, I got to say, Tom Trash just because.

01:39:22:10 - 01:39:23:04
Speaker 4
I know him.

01:39:23:21 - 01:39:29:08
Speaker 1
But you know what? Oh, I so I you're going to put me on the spike of all time.

01:39:31:18 - 01:39:34:23
Speaker 1
I guess you're not going to like my answer to this Jack more.

01:39:35:01 - 01:39:36:02
Speaker 3
There's only one answer.

01:39:36:03 - 01:39:37:14
Speaker 1
Okay, who's who is the answer?

01:39:38:00 - 01:39:38:18
Speaker 3
Ty Cobb.

01:39:38:24 - 01:39:40:07
Speaker 4
Barking. Yeah.

01:39:40:16 - 01:39:54:22
Speaker 3
Oh, now he is one of the great trivia questions of all time. I think Ty Cobb was the first player inducted into the Hall of Fame. I think he was oh. How come the Tigers never retired his number?

01:39:56:17 - 01:39:57:08
Speaker 1
I'm not sure.

01:39:58:10 - 01:39:59:02
Speaker 2
I don't know either.

01:40:00:10 - 01:40:02:08
Speaker 3
He played before they were numbers.

01:40:03:10 - 01:40:05:24
Speaker 4
Oh, my God.

01:40:06:24 - 01:40:10:08
Speaker 1
We're learning. And it's a it's a trivia night, too. This is so good.

01:40:11:19 - 01:40:12:18
Speaker 3
No, because he.

01:40:16:10 - 01:40:19:09
Speaker 4
You know, talk about after the game. Yeah. Yeah.

01:40:19:09 - 01:40:24:17
Speaker 2
32nd game. So just again, for the listeners, Mara has this game. What is it?

01:40:24:23 - 01:40:27:18
Speaker 1
It's, oh, you're going to send me to go get this. It's like.

01:40:28:07 - 01:40:29:22
Speaker 3
You're not talking about AP a I.

01:40:29:24 - 01:40:47:01
Speaker 1
Know it's five second rule is this game. So you have you so I'd be like, okay. And there's like this fun little timer that makes this really weird noise. And we play it around our dinner table and I do it with guests all the time and we do it in our seminars is kind of like not we don't shove an ice pick in our noses yet.

01:40:47:10 - 01:41:06:12
Speaker 1
So we play this game to try to get it when we do our speaking engagements and stuff. And so what you would say is Dr. Gilbert you have 5 seconds, name me three Reds, current Red Sox, or name me Three Streets in your town. And you have you have 5 seconds to answer and give three answers.

01:41:07:05 - 01:41:09:02
Speaker 3
Now, is this a game you could buy?

01:41:09:10 - 01:41:10:19
Speaker 4
Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

01:41:10:19 - 01:41:13:07
Speaker 3
So if I if I go to Amazon, I put five second rule.

01:41:13:07 - 01:41:24:16
Speaker 1
55 second rule. It's a game and it sends you it gives you a bunch of cards, but we'll sometimes make up our own that are relevant. The best part of the game, Dr. Gilbert, is the timer because it makes this weird a little sound.

01:41:25:10 - 01:41:28:10
Speaker 3
I'm going to buy it as soon as you get up because I go get more videos.

01:41:29:11 - 01:41:30:13
Speaker 4
If I'm.

01:41:31:02 - 01:41:57:10
Speaker 3
Okay. So I'm really into training people who want to give motivational talks. And because, you know, as a coach, I mean, one of the only things we have in our arsenal where it's, you know, to get people to perform better. So of course, one of the great motivational stories of all time um, is from the movie Miracle. And I don't have to tell you about it.

01:42:05:12 - 01:42:08:06
Speaker 3
Up on the screen. Okay.

01:42:08:12 - 01:42:09:07
Speaker 4
Yep, yep, yep.

01:42:18:12 - 01:42:19:18
Speaker 4
So this is very Brooke's.

01:42:22:06 - 01:42:23:24
Speaker 6
Right before they play the Soviet.

01:42:55:08 - 01:43:06:11
Speaker 4
Great moments are born from great opportunity and that is what you have here tonight, boys.

01:43:09:05 - 01:43:11:04
Speaker 4
That's what you've earned here tonight.

01:43:16:21 - 01:43:26:21
Speaker 4
One game if we played them ten times, they might win nine but not this game.

01:43:29:08 - 01:43:30:14
Speaker 4
Not tonight.

01:43:33:18 - 01:43:56:00
Speaker 4
Tonight with game winner tonight we stay with them and we shut them down because we can tonight. We are the greatest hockey team in the world.

01:44:03:01 - 01:44:04:17
Speaker 4
You were born to be hockey players.

01:44:07:01 - 01:44:07:17
Speaker 6
Every one of you.

01:44:11:19 - 01:44:13:19
Speaker 4
And you were meant to be here.

01:44:14:04 - 01:44:14:16
Speaker 6
Tonight.

01:44:20:00 - 01:44:21:00
Speaker 6
This is your time.

01:44:26:06 - 01:44:30:09
Speaker 4
Their time is done. It's over.

01:44:32:15 - 01:44:42:03
Speaker 4
I'm sick and tired of hearing about what a great hockey team the Soviets have. Screw them. This is your time.

01:44:44:08 - 01:44:46:01
Speaker 4
Now go up there and take it.

01:45:18:18 - 01:45:37:15
Speaker 3
Ten days before this game, the United States played the Soviets in a fund raiser at Madison Square Garden. One of my friends, Coach Mike Tully, who was a sportswriter, was a big game. The final score was ten to three Soviets, he said. A very easily could have been 20 to nothing. That's how much better they were.

01:46:23:16 - 01:46:25:01
Speaker 6
Going to win the game.

01:46:27:10 - 01:46:35:11
Speaker 6
And I got that sentiment it's very hard to come off.

01:46:37:04 - 01:47:02:07
Speaker 3
So, as you might know, the Red Sox and the Yankees opened up Yankee Stadium on Friday. Well, a few years ago, they opened up at Fenway Park and there was this kid, the young kid who was obsessed with this movie. He used to watch the movie all the time. He had the movie. He had the movie.

01:47:02:07 - 01:47:21:16
Speaker 4
Memorized we look to the spoken word again to do what he's always done, cutting through the uncertainty of the build up and articulating our deep seated passions.

01:47:27:08 - 01:48:03:16
Speaker 8
Great moments are born from great opportunities that's what you have here tonight. Boy, that's what you are here tonight. One game. If we play, you're making time. State might win nine. But not this game. Not tonight. Tonight we hit with. Tonight we stay with them and we shut them down. Because we.

01:48:03:16 - 01:48:11:12
Speaker 6
Can. Tonight, we are our greatest baseball team in the world.

01:48:12:02 - 01:48:26:16
Speaker 8
You were born to be baseball players. Everyone young and you are meant to be here tonight. This is your time. Their time is done.

01:48:28:08 - 01:48:34:01
Speaker 6
Go back and get the entire hearing about.

01:48:34:12 - 01:48:35:11
Speaker 8
What a great.

01:48:35:11 - 01:48:36:23
Speaker 4
Baseball team.

01:48:37:07 - 01:48:47:11
Speaker 6
Yankees had this great one game. It's your time now. Go out there and take it.

01:48:49:16 - 01:48:52:12
Speaker 3
And Flaco is a pretty good junior hockey player now.

01:48:52:19 - 01:48:53:10
Speaker 1
Oh, my.

01:48:53:10 - 01:48:55:07
Speaker 4
God. Oh, boy.

01:48:55:10 - 01:49:16:03
Speaker 3
So one last story. Fred Brooks, legendary. Well, especially if you're a coach, especially as an educator, your biggest weakness could become your biggest strength. I mean, I flunked out of college, you know, and that gave me the opportunity to write a book.

01:49:16:20 - 01:49:17:23
Speaker 4
I have it right here.

01:49:19:24 - 01:49:42:10
Speaker 3
About how to have fun without failing out. I mean, I could have written this book in front of the college. So the last time the United States won a gold medal in hockey before 19 eight, it was 1960, and the Olympics were in Squaw Valley, California. In two weeks before the Olympics, the hockey coach made his last cut for the team and he cut a kid.

01:49:42:11 - 01:50:00:17
Speaker 3
He went back to Minnesota and he watched the final game with his dad and what all of his buddies were jumping around. They won the gold medal. They received a gold medal. The dad says to his son, Well, Herbie, I guess the coach cut the right guy.

01:50:00:24 - 01:50:01:14
Speaker 4
Oh, he.

01:50:01:19 - 01:50:26:05
Speaker 3
Works. Was the last guy cut from the 1960 team and he was going to do whatever it took to win his gold medal and it took him 20 years. So sometimes your biggest break down, collect your biggest breakthrough, your biggest weakness could become your biggest spring. You bring a setback, could become your biggest you know breakthrough setbacks are set up for comebacks in some very wise person said once.

01:50:29:16 - 01:50:29:18
Speaker 4
For.

01:50:29:23 - 01:50:32:04
Speaker 1
Listeners that wise person is Dr. Gilbert.

01:50:34:16 - 01:50:35:02
Speaker 4
Oh.

01:50:35:08 - 01:50:42:05
Speaker 1
I Gigi I don't know I can't we can't wrap this up we could do this we should have done this one life.

01:50:42:23 - 01:50:43:20
Speaker 3
He crushing the.

01:50:45:04 - 01:50:46:22
Speaker 4
Right I guess not.

01:50:46:22 - 01:50:47:21
Speaker 2
Time yet.

01:50:48:06 - 01:51:08:04
Speaker 1
You know what Dr. Gilbert, I got to say, we may lose a lot of Yankee lessons. We've you've plugged the Red Sox and Boston as much as you could of this show, which is fantastic. And one of my good friends, Ken Boychuk, who's a legendary he's a fantastic coach, one of the best people is very smart man. And he and he's a Yankees fan, so I'm sure I'm going to hear from him.

01:51:08:14 - 01:51:09:00
Speaker 4
I'm not.

01:51:09:01 - 01:51:10:20
Speaker 3
The best. An oxymoron.

01:51:11:13 - 01:51:16:07
Speaker 4
I keep Oh, that's amazing.

01:51:16:09 - 01:51:37:14
Speaker 3
That's amazing. It's a story about there was this great comedian and they said, what's the secret to being a great comedian? So, well, he said, well, ask me that question. He said, Okay, what's the secret to becoming great comedic timing?

01:51:38:09 - 01:51:38:19
Speaker 4
You know.

01:51:40:20 - 01:51:43:19
Speaker 3
He crushing it. I don't think I got the right the right moment.

01:51:43:19 - 01:51:45:08
Speaker 4
Did I know you all? Yeah.

01:51:45:08 - 01:52:00:08
Speaker 1
Well, wrap it up. Wrap it up right now. Let's do it. Let's do it. Well, everybody, thank you for tuning in tonight. This is this has been such a fun experience with Dr. Gilbert. That does it for this episode of Benchmark. Thanks for listening. Until next time.

01:52:00:23 - 01:52:02:06
Speaker 3
Keep crashing and.

01:52:05:21 - 01:52:07:01
Speaker 4
It did a.

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That was extreme.

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